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Old 2nd March 2020, 10:29 PM   #1
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Default Boyliya with Albanian lock

Adding images of long Balkan musket. Seems to be boyliya, but with Albanian lock. Barrel stamped with 'M' in crown.

Appreciate any suggestions about detailed origin.
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Old 4th March 2020, 09:02 PM   #2
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Hi Gusko

That is a very nice looking Balkan musket. I see a mixture of both Ottoman and Boyliya styling with this one. Which would not be too surprising.
Many attribute the Boyliya styling to Bulgaria. And I'm leaning more in that direction with with this gun due to it's decoration and metal sheathing towards the muzzle end of the stock.

The lock has to be one of the most utilized throughout the Balkan gun making centers. This style of miquelet lock seems to show up on all kinds of guns throughout the Empire. Almost every musket and pistol from Albania that I've seen uses this same Balkan lock. Ditto the Boyliyas. I can tell you from a shooter's experience that the lock works well and is very reliable. Must be the reason for it's wide spread use.

Anyway, neat gun. I really like it. Thanks for posting. Here is a close-up of your lock:

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Old 4th March 2020, 09:49 PM   #3
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Rick said everything. It's a mixture of Boyliya and tufek.
Very nice!
I' m very curious to know more about your barrel and the face on it...
Maybe you should post it on the European forum...
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Very nice gun Gusko.
I have a question about the sling rings.....one is on the left side opposite the lock, but the other (about half way along the barrel) is on the right. Is this normal or is one fitted the wrong way?
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Old 6th March 2020, 08:22 PM   #5
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Very nice gun Gusko.
I have a question about the sling rings.....one is on the left side opposite the lock, but the other (about half way along the barrel) is on the right. Is this normal or is one fitted the wrong way?
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Hi Kubur,
I see that the Tanchika just posted also has the rings on opposite sides, but so that the 2 threads do not get mixed up, I have replied to you here.....
Hopefully Rick will address this issue..,..
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Old 6th March 2020, 11:20 PM   #6
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Rick said everything. It's a mixture of Boyliya and tufek.
Very nice!
I' m very curious to know more about your barrel and the face on it...
Maybe you should post it on the European forum...
Hi Kubur, good idea. Let's see if someone can advise on the barrel in European forum
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Old 6th March 2020, 11:34 PM   #7
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Very nice gun Gusko.
I have a question about the sling rings.....one is on the left side opposite the lock, but the other (about half way along the barrel) is on the right. Is this normal or is one fitted the wrong way?
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Dear Stu,

Adding one more picture for you with sling ring in the middle of barrel. You will see that bigger ring is on the same side as the one on the opposite side of the lock. I have some tanchika and it has it mounted in the same way.

Barrel fastening rings seems to be not ideal as I see someone was cleaning the barrel and probably removed them. Afterwards probably it was soldered.

You can also see that wood has a different color between 2 and 3, what suggested some ring is missing (similar to 5 when it comes to width).

Quite interesting thing is that wood is nicely connected under the fastening ring 2 (because of overall length of the stock)

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Dear Stu,

Adding one more picture for you with sling ring in the middle of barrel. You will see that bigger ring is on the same side as the one on the opposite side of the lock. I have some tanchika and it has it mounted in the same way.

Barrel fastening rings seems to be not ideal as I see someone was cleaning the barrel and probably removed them. Afterwards probably it was soldered.

You can also see that wood has a different color between 2 and 3, what suggested some ring is missing (similar to 5 when it comes to width).

Quite interesting thing is that wood is nicely connected under the fastening ring 2 (because of overall length of the stock)

Qusko
Thanks for that. The first pic of your thread looked as if the ring was in fact on the side facing, but I guess that pic was a bit dark in that area.
Different color wood could suggest an early repair?
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Hello again

The sling rings would be mounted on the left side of the gun so that it can be carried on the person's back with the lock positioned outward. This allowed the weight of the gun to be distributed across the entire torso of the body versus just one shoulder. Similar to a sword baldric. Interesting that European French (and other) muskets also mounted their sling rings on the side till about 1740. But muskets manufactured in the Ottoman/Balkan regions continued the side mount practice throughout their life time.

The difference in color of that portion of the stock could be from a period stock repair as Stu suggests. But there should be at least some small evidence of a repair. What it looks like to me is that when the gun was originally built it had another brass/metal sheath wrapped over the stock in this area. Similar to the metal sheathing near the muzzle end. That would account for the dis-coloration in that area.

I somewhat misspoke on my post above. While the lock on Gusko's musket, and my photos above do represent one of the most widely utilized miquelet locks on Balkan made guns, the most common lock I see on Boyliya muskets is different. Often called a Bulgarian lock by collectors. It's a bit more unusual looking miquelet lock. But it shows up on virtually every Boyliya musket I've seen.

Of course, these guns were individually made, often to a customer's personal specifications. And sometimes decorated with a mix of cultures. And Qusko's musket is a good example of this mix. A very interesting piece.

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