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23rd August 2024, 05:46 AM | #1 |
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Seme
A while back I found a small seme at a decent price. I have always regretted not trying to buy one from Maasai friends when I worked in southeast Kenya. This one is ribbed and clublike in its weight. Its overall length is 20 3/4", 52.5cm. The blade measures 15 1/2", 39.2cm long. 2 1/8" wide at spatula and 3/4", 2cm at handle. The rib is 1/4", 0.6cm at the spatula and 3/8", 0.9cm thick at the handle. The blade is almost hollow ground on either side of the rib. At the spatula tip it is slightly thicker on the edge than 1/2" back where it is 3/64", 0.2cm thick. It is much heavier than the working semes I saw 10-15 years ago made from cut down machetes which seemed to be used primarily as butcher knives. As I said this one is ribbed and Masai red but does not ever appear to have been sharpened and has a considerable blunt portion of the blade that extends 5", 12.5 cm up from the handle. This portion of the blade looks like it was never intended to have an edge.
What do you all think? A) was this a Masai blade? B) a tourist or just an old blade that was snatched up before it was ever used? C) If a tourist blade, are there production centers making ribbed blades for the tourist market due to demand for old fashioned blades? Thanks for any help on this subject. IP |
23rd August 2024, 07:30 AM | #2 |
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The modern version of the long blade spear has that blunt section of the blade. Tourist seme can be very poorly made . I had one a friend brought back for me, you could almost fold it up the metal was so soft. I think your seme is just a well made forged blade made to be used and sold to who ever wanted it.
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23rd August 2024, 06:48 PM | #3 |
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Thanks for the response Tim! That is good to hear. I felt that it was a 90% finished product that was made to be used, but I like outside verification to make sure I am not having an emotional response. From what I have seen a lot of areas of the world this kind of tool is sold semi-finished and then the user completes it to his taste. I.e. the shape of the edge grind, and tailoring the handle to their hand (I have seen contemporary "users" with spiraling grips like a drill bit that were covered in shrink wrap like for electrical connections), decoration etc. The tribes surrounding the Masai tend to cut off the existing handles of the panga and replace them with tire rubber so that they handle better during the rainy season.
The question is what decade would a product like this be made? Are they currently being made? This example seems to have a good patina, but the dye on the scabbard and handle are relatively intact. From what I read the traditional Masai iron/steel was of unpredictable quality making the rib necessary. The English machetes were more reliable making thinner blades possible. The Seme shortened in my opinion due to the pax Brittania. These blades of course did not have the impact of the old ones, the blade I have shown feels like it would pack a wallop) but cut and slice (butcher) more effectively. Locally they are still considered more effective weapons than the panga, but not as good for agricultural work. The shorter seme such as this one is now worn concealed, on a belt next to the skin under the two pieces of cloth knotted at the shoulders and the larger one slung cross wise. I have forgotten the name of these garments. I assume the older long ones were worn openly. The spears are not allowed in the larger towns. Can you tell please me more about the blunt section on the spears? Last edited by Interested Party; 23rd August 2024 at 06:53 PM. Reason: Holes in my argument |
25th August 2024, 11:04 PM | #4 |
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I've three semes with medial ridges and they all have an unsharpened section just down from the handle. I'd always assumed that this was because, being very tip-heavy, they would have been held by that part of the blade to provide better balance for finer cutting/chopping.
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29th August 2024, 03:47 PM | #5 |
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I just received this seme, similar to the seme from Interested Party. The blade is in the old shape with a central rib, fairly heavy. The blade is 9 mm thick at the handle, 41 cm long and oal 54 cm. The blade is 6 mm thick at the hilt and gradually merges into the sharp cutting edge over a length of 17 cm. Since it is a hiltless sword it seems logical to me that the cutting edges are blunt against the handle, this way you keep your fingers intact if your hand slides off the handle. Both sword and scabbard are in good condition, the belt is missing a piece. The end of the scabbard is a one cent coin of Edward the seventh, 1909. I suppose the date of the coin is not necessarily the age of the sword, it looks far too good.
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30th August 2024, 03:34 PM | #6 |
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Nice looking seme Marc. To me yours has a more finished blade and the handle has ribs under the leather. I read some place, maybe this forum, that the handles that had ribs were older. Anyone have evidence to prove or disprove this idea?
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