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Old 14th June 2021, 10:50 PM   #61
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Wowzer that last one is just about as long as I've seen any keris. Can you tell us anything more about it?
Interesting handle too - what's the material?
Hullo jagabuwana,

This may help:

Desc: Doehoeng Soember (bangkinang variant)
Char: Oepih-rai moentir, djanoer mentjar
Blade: LxOALxWxT=56x67x7.15x1.49cm.
Handle: Green-horn malati-motif w/ white-metal seloet
Wt: 462g.
Sheath: Wood majang w/ green-horn toe

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Old 15th June 2021, 07:00 PM   #62
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Wowzer that last one is just about as long as I've seen any keris.
According to Amuk's specs that keris panjang seems to be 56 cm. Pretty long, but not unheard of. Thought you might want another look at mine. It's blade is 58 cm, though i would not be surprised to find an even longer one.
http://vikingsword.com/vb/showthread...hlight=panjang
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Old 16th October 2021, 11:46 PM   #63
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Doing some 'spring-cleaning'. Thought the following may be of interest.

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Old 17th October 2021, 09:50 AM   #64
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Thank you Amuk, I guess that "landean" designates the hilt (landeyan in Madura), what does PwahAtji mean?
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Old 17th October 2021, 11:27 AM   #65
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Thank you Amuk, I guess that "landean" designates the hilt (landeyan in Madura), what does PwahAtji mean?
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- landean/landéan/landeyan/landaian are the same, just different spelling/accent (c.f. apotheek/apotek/apoték/ apotik =apothecary/pharmacy); means handle.
- PwahAtji literally means “celestial and inconceivable/unimaginable” i.e. the ultimate essence beyond our ken.

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Old 20th October 2021, 12:26 AM   #66
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. ..... This type of hilt is .....
. This style of pendok overlapping on the atasan is fequently seen these days .....
Hullo Jean,

I've changed the hilt for a 'more appropriate' one. Hope it's pleasing.
I've also attached pics of similar oversheaths from 18thC-early19thC. One was a present from Hamengkoeboewono.

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Old 20th October 2021, 11:51 AM   #67
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Hello Amuk,
Beautiful pieces, thank you!
The silver hilt on the first pic is in coteng style from Patani (Thailand) so not very suitable with this Cirebon kris IMO?
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Old 20th October 2021, 01:43 PM   #68
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Beautiful pieces, thank you!
The silver hilt on the first pic is in coteng style from Patani (Thailand) so not very suitable with this Cirebon kris IMO?
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Hullo Jean,

You may be right, but I believe itto be northern coast of western Java.

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Old 20th October 2021, 04:06 PM   #69
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Hi Amuk. Why do you believe the hilt you have placed on this keris originated on the North Coast of Western Jawa? It clearly appears to be a coteng hilt.
Do you have some provenance for this assertion. Though i believe many people have traced the evolutionary origin of coteng and tajong hilts back to Jawa the primogenitor hilts that are usually pointed to are not the fully developed coteng or tajong forms. But if you could show evidence that such hilts did exist in Jawa back then you would have an important discovery.
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Old 20th October 2021, 08:37 PM   #70
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This piece may be a javanese copy of a tajong hilt, see the hatched decoration especially.
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Old 20th October 2021, 11:00 PM   #71
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This piece may be a javanese copy of a tajong hilt, see the hatched decoration especially.
Possibly. I honestly cannot judge from this one photograph. But even if made in Java to would not have been made for a Javanese keris and i am sure you agree that it is stylistically incorrect for this ensemble. While some culturally mixed keris ensembles may well have some legitimacy in ethnographic usage i would have a hard time seeing this mix of Javanese and Peninsula styles finding social acceptability in either culture.
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Old 19th December 2021, 09:54 PM   #72
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Just thought I’d post about this familiar item. It feels the appropriate place. I’m sure better and more detailed pictures are available elsewhere in this room.

blade: Mahisah Toempeng 11Eloek
hilt: Wood Sang Manarah
meas.: 44x54x9cm.
sheath: Wood Djoengan Lemah Pakwan Radjapoetra
vintage: 1512

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Old 19th December 2021, 10:32 PM   #73
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Beautiful!
No better or more detailed pictures in my part of the room i'm afraid. If you or some else has larger files i believe posting them would be appreciated.
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Old 20th December 2021, 09:56 AM   #74
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Beautiful!
No better or more detailed pictures in my part of the room i'm afraid. If you or some else has larger files i believe posting them would be appreciated.
Haha, this kris is described in detail in the Krisdisk from Jensen (a precious picture reference for antique krisses) but subject to copyright.... You may see it upon your next trip to Vienna

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Copy of the page in question in the Krisdisk
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Old 20th December 2021, 08:16 PM   #76
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Thanks Jean.
In order to take my "next" trip to Vienna i would have to have already taken my FIRST trip to Vienna. LOL!
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Old 21st December 2021, 10:10 AM   #77
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And this is my own kris, the antique blade was unfortunately broken and shortened while piercing the body of an enemy
It was repaired & treated in Solo, and the scabbard was recently made by copying an old model.
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Old 21st December 2021, 10:14 AM   #78
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The blade in its original condition.
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Old 24th December 2021, 09:25 PM   #79
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Update for 1st picture of post #63 above.

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As the sheath is a perfect fit for the blade, we can consider it to have been made for the Keris and thus original.
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Old 24th December 2021, 10:49 PM   #81
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As the sheath is a perfect fit for the blade, we can consider it to have been made for the Keris and thus original.
Hullo Gustav,
As you well know, during the life of a blade, it may undergo various changes of dress. When undergone properly, of course they should always fit ‘perfectly’.
By 'original', I mean as at the time it left the ‘original owner’. So I guess what you’re saying is that THAT particular sheath came with the blade when handed over by the then owner, back in 1521.
Thank you for your input.

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Old 25th December 2021, 11:42 AM   #82
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Hello Amuk Murugul,

of course this Keris did have at least one stopover in workshops run by portuguese in ther trading facilities or colonies, where the stones in the hilt were in set in a Ceilonese fashion, and possibly the Mendak was made. The style of overpainting of the sheath is associated with a Cochin workshop.

You surely were aware of this thread with more details on this:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...chordens+keris

But yes, I think the possibility this Keris originally came out of Java with this sheath is very high.
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Old 25th December 2021, 10:15 PM   #83
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Hullo again Gustav,

Here's another one I am sure you're familiar with.

Best of season's greetings!
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