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Old 24th September 2015, 02:37 PM   #1
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Is there a specific name within the Keris world for blades that have distinct differing pamors on each blade face?

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Old 24th September 2015, 04:20 PM   #2
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Dwi Warna, Gavin IIRC .
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Old 25th September 2015, 02:28 AM   #3
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Thanks Rick,

I ran it through the translator to get an understanding of the literal translation;

Dwi was not recognised but Warna is colour so if I was to hazard a guess this would be double colour?

Could this term then be used on a blade that also shows two pamor on the one face of the blade?

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Old 25th September 2015, 02:53 AM   #4
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Old 25th September 2015, 03:17 AM   #5
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Some helpful reading, thank you.

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Old 26th September 2015, 10:04 AM   #7
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in this context of pamor, 'warna' means pamor.

'dwi' = two

'tri' = three

'panca' = five.

thus dwi warna = two pamors, tri warna = three pamors, panca warna = five pamors

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Old 27th September 2015, 12:36 AM   #8
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Hi Alan,

Am I correct in the application of these words being that it can refer to both a differing pamor to each face and also differing pamors to one face or is there more specific terms when drilling down this much.

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Old 27th September 2015, 01:15 AM   #9
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no gavin, these terms only refer to differing pamors that are the same on each blade face, when you have a different pamor on each blade face it is called pamor tangkis and is considered to be a protective device against black magic.
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no gavin, these terms only refer to differing pamors that are the same on each blade face, when you have a different pamor on each blade face it is called pamor tangkis and is considered to be a protective device against black magic.
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Old 27th September 2015, 11:56 AM   #11
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Old 28th September 2015, 10:49 AM   #12
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On Lombok different Pamor on each blade side is called Pamor Seliwah, according to Ir. H. Lalu Djelenga.
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On Lombok different Pamor on each blade side is called Pamor Seliwah, according to Ir. H. Lalu Djelenga.
Thank you Gustav.

I am wondering about the name in other keris cultures too, Malaysia, Southern Thailand, Sumatra, Bali and the many others...Would Bali fall under the Java name perhaps?

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[QUOTE=Gavin Nugent]...Would Bali fall under the Java name perhaps?/QUOTE]

I doubt.
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On Lombok different Pamor on each blade side is called Pamor Seliwah, according to Ir. H. Lalu Djelenga.
i am resurrecting this old thread because i just encountered this name Pamor Seliwah regarding such pamor in Lombok in another place so this can confirm that name to a certain extent, though it is quite possible this other source got this info from Ir. H. Lalu Djelenga to begin with. I believe in Jawa this would also be referred to as keris tangkis.
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