An afghan jezail or north african rifle?

francantolin · 18th January 2025, 04:30 PM

Good day dear members,
here is an Afghan rifle I think.
Maybe just a decoration wallhanger with a lot of mother of pearl and brass decorations but with an heavy octagonal barrel.
The price was reasonable so I let myself be tempted.
I read the problem of our friend with his english riflegun but I still decided to buy it.
Nice baby not long 1 m 05 cm but weight of 3.0 kg
I would like to repair it and clean it a little,
the loading mechanism works but the plate moves ,
There is no punch which is not necessarily a bad thing given the number of false punch on Afghan reproductions ...
it is perhaps an assembly made from old parts as they often did in Afghanistan to make a decorative model barrel and plate seems to match.
could we say 19th century ?

kahnjar1 · 18th January 2025, 07:45 PM

Afghan origin but COULD be assembled from parts. Does the touch hole line up with the BOTTOM of the pan? This is usually a sign that it was assembled from parts. Barrel seems a bit short for a flintlock, but who knows.........Worth keeping IMHO as an example of the type.

francantolin · 19th January 2025, 11:02 AM

Thank's a lot kahnjar1 for your reply !

I read about Sindhi flintlocks with these kind of large octogonal barrels.

Yes it seems a little short...
For the hole line and the pan,
If I have understood 😅
I think it can be +/-ok , in comparison with other flint plates.

What I would like to do is to dismantle the barrel and plate, clean all and reassemble it
I have to remove gently some fixing parts

kahnjar1 · 21st January 2025, 06:20 AM

From the latest pics the barrel looks to be an original one, but the fit is all wrong so could well not be the original one from the stock. The touch hole is too high from the bottom of the pan. Is that French lock you show, the lock which is attached to the Afghan, or another?
Stu

francantolin · 21st January 2025, 06:16 PM

The french model is just to show how high the hole must be
So if I can readjust / wind down the barrel in the wooden gaps it must fit good...

corrado26 · 22nd January 2025, 07:28 AM

I think because of the remarkable style of the butt this gun was made by a handyman of the Sind people in today Pakistan. Guns of this type, with sharply curved flaring butts are typical of Sind, now a province of southern Pakistan.

18th January 2025, 04:30 PM	#1
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 902	An afghan jezail or north african rifle? Good day dear members, here is an Afghan rifle I think. Maybe just a decoration wallhanger with a lot of mother of pearl and brass decorations but with an heavy octagonal barrel. The price was reasonable so I let myself be tempted. I read the problem of our friend with his english riflegun but I still decided to buy it. Nice baby not long 1 m 05 cm but weight of 3.0 kg I would like to repair it and clean it a little, the loading mechanism works but the plate moves , There is no punch which is not necessarily a bad thing given the number of false punch on Afghan reproductions ... it is perhaps an assembly made from old parts as they often did in Afghanistan to make a decorative model barrel and plate seems to match. could we say 19th century ? Attached Images

19th January 2025, 11:02 AM	#3
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 902	Thank's a lot kahnjar1 for your reply ! I read about Sindhi flintlocks with these kind of large octogonal barrels. Yes it seems a little short... For the hole line and the pan, If I have understood 😅 I think it can be +/-ok , in comparison with other flint plates. What I would like to do is to dismantle the barrel and plate, clean all and reassemble it I have to remove gently some fixing parts Attached Images

22nd January 2025, 07:28 AM	#6
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,217	I think because of the remarkable style of the butt this gun was made by a handyman of the Sind people in today Pakistan. Guns of this type, with sharply curved flaring butts are typical of Sind, now a province of southern Pakistan. Attached Images Last edited by corrado26; 22nd January 2025 at 06:18 PM.

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18th January 2025, 07:45 PM	#2
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,778	Afghan origin but COULD be assembled from parts. Does the touch hole line up with the BOTTOM of the pan? This is usually a sign that it was assembled from parts. Barrel seems a bit short for a flintlock, but who knows.........Worth keeping IMHO as an example of the type.

21st January 2025, 06:20 AM	#4
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,778	From the latest pics the barrel looks to be an original one, but the fit is all wrong so could well not be the original one from the stock. The touch hole is too high from the bottom of the pan. Is that French lock you show, the lock which is attached to the Afghan, or another? Stu

21st January 2025, 06:16 PM	#5
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 902	The french model is just to show how high the hole must be So if I can readjust / wind down the barrel in the wooden gaps it must fit good...