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Old 29th June 2021, 09:24 PM   #1
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Default persian ? sipar shield

Hello dear members,

I got this steel shield and wanted to share it with you,
not too large, 31cm / 12,2 inches in diameter.

I think it comes from persia-Iran more than India
a 19th century sipar ??

Relief under the rust indicate there is/was koftgari work,
I have to remove it ( and not overclean it...)
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Old 30th June 2021, 07:15 AM   #2
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India. late 19th century.
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Old 30th June 2021, 07:57 AM   #3
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India, 20th c. Sorry for these bad news...
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Old 30th June 2021, 12:51 PM   #4
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19th-20th century, and still a nice example of such. The current product is not as well made, so I would label this as vintage and use it as a centre piece with some swords or other weapons behind it in the clasical manner.my own is brass, that at one time was silvered, now only remaining on the back after many years of being polished, not by me I hasten to add.
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Old 30th June 2021, 07:40 PM   #5
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Very nice wall!!
I mean the collection... not the paperwall.
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Old 30th June 2021, 08:43 PM   #6
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Hello,
Thank you all for you comment !!
Yes David, really nice decorated wall with interesting items !!
( but the paperwall... without offending !!)

is the recent dating and indian origin due to the fabric strip and pad ?

Quality seems not that bad as David mentioned,
the added border is thick and well done.
once cleaned, for me it's really better...
nice koftgari under the rust, sad to let it like that...
an arabic script in the center ?
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Old 30th June 2021, 11:30 PM   #7
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Very nice wall!!
I mean the collection... not the paperwall.
The wall paper is dreadful, why do you think I hang all the nice stuff on it. It's the choice of a previous tenant, and frankly I prefer to spend my money on swords rather than nicer wall paper!
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Old 1st July 2021, 08:28 AM   #8
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Quality seems not that bad as David mentioned,
the added border is thick and well done.
once cleaned, for me it's really better...
nice koftgari under the rust, sad to let it like that...
an arabic script in the center ?
Hi Francatolin,

Is it possible to know how you cleaned your shield? It is very well done.

Thanks
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Old 1st July 2021, 02:22 PM   #9
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It says

ĎAziz al-Din Haji Ilyas Shah, Bombay, Lahore, Kashmir

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It says

ĎAziz al-Din Haji Ilyas Shah, Bombay, Lahore, Kashmir

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So definitely not Persian !!
Than's a lot for the translation Kwiatek !!!!!!!
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Hi Francatolin,

Is it possible to know how you cleaned your shield? It is very well done.

Thanks
Result is hopefully good but the recipe not so impressive:

I use a brown world famous sparkling-bubbled brown soft drink ,

with phosphoric acid...
for remove rust it's perfect and it's not too strong for the koftgari !

2,5 -3 hours in a bucket, not all the piece ,
just the front side ( I put the liquid gradually ... )

then a sponge and 1000 sandpatch with a little baking soda

that's it
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So definitely not Persian !!
Than's a lot for the translation Kwiatek !!!!!!!
Sorry I was wrong, it is 19th c. and congratulations!
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Old 4th July 2021, 01:53 PM   #13
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Again Thank's a lot Kwiatek !!

I found this indian tray on internet dated 19th century

with the same signature,
Hadji Aziz al-Din and Hadji Ilyas Shah,

two respectable/Hadj persons / craftmen ?...

The picture comes from a belgian Museum,

here is the link:

https://www.carmentis.be:443/eMP/eMu...ype=detailView
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Result is hopefully good but the recipe not so impressive:

I use a brown world famous sparkling-bubbled brown soft drink ,

with phosphoric acid...
for remove rust it's perfect and it's not too strong for the koftgari !

2,5 -3 hours in a bucket, not all the piece ,
just the front side ( I put the liquid gradually ... )

then a sponge and 1000 sandpatch with a little baking soda

that's it
Excellent and thank you. I have used the same, but in my experience it has to be the "full fat" sugary version, not the low cal.
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