Ethnographic Arms & Armour
 

Go Back   Ethnographic Arms & Armour > Discussion Forums > Keris Warung Kopi

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 10th December 2018, 12:56 AM   #1
Bill M
Member
 
Bill M's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: USA Georgia
Posts: 1,599
Default Another keris

Comments? Identification?
Attached Images
   
Bill M is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10th December 2018, 02:48 AM   #2
Rick
Member
 
Rick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 5,982
Smile

I'll take a wild guess and say it's Madurese work.
Would like to see the entire blade; also the sarong looks older than the wilah, but maybe that's just the glue line I can see that makes me think so.
Rick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10th December 2018, 08:55 AM   #3
Jean
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,585
Default

Yes, the blade looks like from Madura Sumenep (the winged horse), and is probably recent. I saw some blades with similar decoration but covered with gold kinatah and not pierced through. The putut motif under the kembang kacang is an odd addition (not Madurese).
The warangka is in gayaman Solo style and the hilt in Ganesha style from Java North Coast (Tegal).
Regards
Jean is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10th December 2018, 05:36 PM   #4
francantolin
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 607
Default

Really beautiful !!!
Hilt and blade !!!!
francantolin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10th December 2018, 06:33 PM   #5
David
Keris forum moderator
 
David's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Nova Scotia
Posts: 6,348
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jean
Yes, the blade looks like from Madura Sumenep (the winged horse), and is probably recent. I saw some blades with similar decoration but covered with gold kinatah and not pierced through. The putut motif under the kembang kacang is an odd addition (not Madurese).
The warangka is in gayaman Solo style and the hilt in Ganesha style from Java North Coast (Tegal).
If you look closely you can see that this blade did indeed once carry kinatah that has since fallen away. But i tend to agree with Jean that this seems to be a contemporary blade, although it would be helpful in any assessment, especially one that we only have photos to go by, to include images of the entire blade as well. I suppose it is also possible that the blade is somewhat older, but with contemporary recarving at the base and gonjo. Hard to tell exactly with just the close-up images.
This is indeed an mix of origins. While the sheath probably was not made for this blade, it seems to have been well adapted to it. Hard to say the actual reasons for the mix of styles.
David is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10th December 2018, 10:10 PM   #6
Bill M
Member
 
Bill M's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: USA Georgia
Posts: 1,599
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by David
If you look closely you can see that this blade did indeed once carry kinatah that has since fallen away. But i tend to agree with Jean that this seems to be a contemporary blade, although it would be helpful in any assessment, especially one that we only have photos to go by, to include images of the entire blade as well. I suppose it is also possible that the blade is somewhat older, but with contemporary recarving at the base and gonjo. Hard to tell exactly with just the close-up images.
This is indeed an mix of origins. While the sheath probably was not made for this blade, it seems to have been well adapted to it. Hard to say the actual reasons for the mix of styles.

Why not? Add a few more pictures.
Attached Images
  
Bill M is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11th December 2018, 01:40 AM   #7
David
Keris forum moderator
 
David's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Nova Scotia
Posts: 6,348
Default

Thanks Bill. It would still be helpful to have one photo showing the full keris in order to get a better feel for the Pawakan, the over all impression of the blade.
David is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11th December 2018, 03:02 AM   #8
Green
Member
 
Green's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Malaysia
Posts: 267
Default

if this is a painting I'd guess we can categorize it as 'pop art'... my opinion only.
Green is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11th December 2018, 09:17 AM   #9
Jean
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,585
Default

A very decorative blade anyway, I will check if I can find the pics of the similar blades which I mentioned. Regarding the traces of kinatah on the ganja, I cannot say for this piece but I have found that it is often a trick used by some sellers for enhancing the value of the blades.
Regards

Last edited by Jean; 11th December 2018 at 09:44 AM.
Jean is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11th December 2018, 11:38 AM   #10
Bill M
Member
 
Bill M's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: USA Georgia
Posts: 1,599
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by David
Thanks Bill. It would still be helpful to have one photo showing the full keris in order to get a better feel for the Pawakan, the over all impression of the blade.
I couldn't find a full length picture in my files. Will take one later.
Bill M is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11th December 2018, 01:21 PM   #11
David
Keris forum moderator
 
David's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Nova Scotia
Posts: 6,348
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jean
Regarding the traces of kinatah on the ganja, I cannot say for this piece but I have found that it is often a trick used by some sellers for enhancing the value of the blades.
I would not be the least bit surprised Jean. This is obviously recent work (at least the carving), so one might wonder how all that kinatah could get worn off in a relatively short period of time. It is the type of work that is meant for accepting kinatah though.
While i would not myself consider "re-doing" the gold work Bill, the one thing i might do to this ensemble if it were mine would be to fix the bad glue job on the sheath. Should not be too difficult a job.

Last edited by David; 20th December 2018 at 03:45 PM.
David is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th December 2018, 03:07 PM   #12
Bill M
Member
 
Bill M's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: USA Georgia
Posts: 1,599
Default Horse Keris

Quote:
Originally Posted by David
Thanks Bill. It would still be helpful to have one photo showing the full keris in order to get a better feel for the Pawakan, the over all impression of the blade.

David, the pictures are from my archives for insurance. I just found the full blade. Sorry it is low resolution but the only blade I have found
Attached Images
 
Bill M is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th December 2018, 03:46 PM   #13
David
Keris forum moderator
 
David's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Nova Scotia
Posts: 6,348
Default

Thanks Bill. That is good enough to give us an over all view of the dhapur.
David is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 06:00 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Posts are regarded as being copyrighted by their authors and the act of posting material is deemed to be a granting of an irrevocable nonexclusive license for display here.