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Old 12th March 2021, 04:00 PM   #1
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Default Broad sword without apple, please help with attribution

good afternoon, please help in attributing the sword, length 107 cm width at the guard 5.3 cm. guard 19 cm, shank 1.0 / 1.3 cm. here are old photos that I wanted to show.
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Old 12th March 2021, 07:08 PM   #2
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Can you please post better quality photos?

Also some details of the tip would be nice.

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Old 12th March 2021, 08:33 PM   #3
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Thank you for your interest,
of course, at the beginning of the topic there are old photos, almost 20 years have passed since that time,
I just wanted to show the first photos, the subject is almost cleared, now I will post a series of photos in different lighting,.
I got a few unusual items for my region that I want to show here,
Look here please .
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Old 13th March 2021, 02:24 PM   #4
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Old 14th March 2021, 12:37 PM   #5
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This is what one might expect to see on a 13/14 century sword in excavated condition. Note the way the corrosion has etched the steel revealing the pattern of the origional forging caused by impurities in the steel and resulting delamination. Also the characteristic poor fit of the cross guard. I dont see this in this example
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Old 14th March 2021, 01:13 PM   #6
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Good afternoon, good example, thanks.
earlier I myself had to clean it from rust and it is equally difficult for me to recognize it as not real, as it is to be completely sure that it is ancient, so I am grateful for any opinions.
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Old 14th March 2021, 01:27 PM   #7
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thank you for the photo,
there were such opinions locally;
-that the sword is from the 14/15 century,.
-that it is a sword made in the 19th century, just for a wall or over a fireplace, .
- that in the 19th century it would have been made more technologically probably.
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There are more issues wrong with this sword, beginning with the initial corrosion...

So I would say it may be a 19tc century historicism piece but I am more inclined to say that it is a modern fake artificially aged.
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Old 15th March 2021, 08:03 PM   #9
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thank you very much for your answer.
behold
that's why I showed it here.
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Old 16th March 2021, 07:20 AM   #10
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Well, I will clear the sword to the end. I'll try to remove the guard.
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Old 26th March 2021, 04:57 PM   #11
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This is what one might expect to see on a 13/14 century sword in excavated condition. Note the way the corrosion has etched the steel revealing the pattern of the origional forging caused by impurities in the steel and resulting delamination. Also the characteristic poor fit of the cross guard. I dont see this in this example
I agree. The OP's sword looks like a fake made to look like a relic. There's a lot of that coming from the Eastern Europe these days. I wonder where he acquired the sword.
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Old 26th March 2021, 06:47 PM   #12
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Thank you Dmitry for your opinion, there are enough absurdities in the subject, which of course are visible to me, which is why I showed it here.
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Old 26th March 2021, 07:53 PM   #13
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however, there is something that makes you want to figure it out to the end,
At first ; the rust on it was a real, thick, strong crust, as in the first photos, and it was removed on its own.
Secondly; the blades on both sides are clogged, dull, but inside the cross-pieces they remain (seen in the photo).
third; I had previously thought that it was shortened, the longitudinal rib could not initially reach the tip.
fourthly; it is not completely cleaned, it must probably be soaked, different things can be seen at different angles of illumination, but they are partially still under a layer of unfinished substance,.
,,, But in general, yes, it does not look right, I agree.
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Old 26th March 2021, 08:08 PM   #14
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I wanted to add to the previous post,
in the structure itself there is so much unnecessary non-technological work, this is a stiffener, this crosspiece of the guard, everything is done difficult, if you look from today's time, I am very grateful for your attention to the topic
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I agree. The OP's sword looks like a fake made to look like a relic. There's a lot of that coming from the Eastern Europe these days. I wonder where he acquired the sword.
You have posted four swords all of which look like ground finds. It would be good if you could say something about the context in which they were discovered.
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You have posted four swords all of which look like ground finds. It would be good if you could say something about the context in which they were discovered.
good afternoon, within the framework of the forum, this is probably not entirely appropriate,
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I wanted to add to the previous post,
in the structure itself there is so much unnecessary non-technological work, this is a stiffener, this crosspiece of the guard, everything is done difficult, if you look from today's time, I am very grateful for your attention to the topic
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In addition, from today's time such a thing may look rough and absurdly "barbaric" even, but only in comparison with exquisitely beautiful counterparts from developed centers.
But take a closer look at this (not ordinary / not correct at first glance) Scandinavian sword of the 13th century.
photo taken from the site
CZERNY'S INTERNATIONAL AUKTION HOUSE S.r. 1.
(in the context of the post).
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