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Old 10th August 2024, 04:52 AM   #1
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Hello all,

I have 3 Bali Keris in my collections.

The first one is said to be from the nineteenth century, and this one is special because it has a smooth blade and is not as rough as the other keris.

The second one is also said to be from the nineteenth century, and this one has an ugly hilt, and the blade is pretty thin. I think it's used for ceremony or decoration not for combat.

The third one is said to be form the Seventeenth or eighteenth century,it has a very beautiful demon hilt. However the blade is slightly damaged.

Can you help me to identify if they are really old antiques or maybe they are just souvenirs made recently ?
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Old 10th August 2024, 04:58 PM   #2
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Old 11th August 2024, 09:29 AM   #5
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the first and the third are krises of some merits, but I am afraid the second one isn't. I see it often as a tourist kris. I doubt the blade is Balinese.

The first kris seems to me more a Lombok kris than it would be a Balinese but I am sure there are other members whom could elaborate more.

I can't honestly say that the 1st and 3rd are antiques therefore more than 100 years old but they are certainly not recently made.

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the first and the third are krises of some merits, but I am afraid the second one isn't. I see it often as a tourist kris. I doubt the blade is Balinese.

The first kris seems to me more a Lombok kris than it would be a Balinese but I am sure there are other members whom could elaborate more.

I can't honestly say that the 1st and 3rd are antiques therefore more than 100 years old but they are certainly not recently made.
Thank you Milandro

One more question, Can you tell if them are made of meteorite? Thanks.
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Old 11th August 2024, 11:45 AM   #7
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I have seen someone in this forums have a very similar Keris like mine (the second one). What a coincidence!

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Welcome to the forum HC,

The first shown keris is a nice one, I guess around 1900, not high quality but good, nice and legit. Bali or Lombok I can't say, I think both are possible. You should turn the handle by 180 degree!

The second one has a Javanese Blade, the workmanship of the handle and scabbard is low and I doubt that it's Balinese workmanship, looks Javanese or Madurese to my eyes but I just don't know, mid. 20th century? I've seen similar ones before but I don't know if they are made for selling purpose or for local use.

The third one is very, very nice, I like this blade and the handle as well. Sadly the scabbard is missing, it would be worth it to let made a new one for it. When you mean with "damage" the visible pitting, it's nothing you should bother about!

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Welcome to the forum HC,

The first shown keris is a nice one, I guess around 1900, not high quality but good, nice and legit. Bali or Lombok I can't say, I think both are possible.

The second one has a Javanese Blade, the workmanship of the handle and scabbard is low and I doubt that it's Balinese workmanship, looks Javenese or Madurese to my eyes but I just don't know, mid. 20th century? I've seen similar ones before but I don't know if they are made for selling purpose or for local use.

The third one is very, very nice, I like this blade and the handle as well. Sadly the scabbard is missing, it would be worth it to let made a new one for it.

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Thank you, Sajen

I'm very happy with your comments.

It's basically the same as my own perception of them. I also think the third one is the best, followed by the first one, and the second one is a lower grade.

It's a pity that we don't have a craftsman here to make a scabbard for Kris, otherwise I would have liked to make a suitable scabbard for him.
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As Detlef has written:- #1 & #3 are not bad keris at all & genuinely old Balinese --- not super old, but I'd put #1 as pre-WWII & the blade of #3 as 19th century, maybe second half.

#2 is a very ordinary Javanese blade, the hilt & scabbard were made in Jogja, most probably by Bp. Prawirodihardjo(Alm.) or possibly his father.
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As Detlef has written:- #1 & #3 are not bad keris at all & genuinely old Balinese --- not super old, but I'd put #1 as pre-WWII & the blade of #3 as 19th century, maybe second half.

#2 is a very ordinary Javanese blade, the hilt & scabbard were made in Jogja, most probably by Bp. Prawirodihardjo(Alm.) or possibly his father.
Thank you, Maisey

It's amazing that you can tell who made the hilt & scabbard of #2. How do you know that? Is Bp. Prawirodihardjo also a member of this forum?
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As Detlef has written:- #1 & #3 are not bad keris at all & genuinely old Balinese --- not super old, but I'd put #1 as pre-WWII & the blade of #3 as 19th century, maybe second half.

#2 is a very ordinary Javanese blade, the hilt & scabbard were made in Jogja, most probably by Bp. Prawirodihardjo(Alm.) or possibly his father.
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You are very knowledgable. Can you tell us who are Bp. Prawirodihardjo(Alm.) and his father? Are they craftsman bofore or during WW2?
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Welcome to the forum HC,

The first shown keris is a nice one, I guess around 1900, not high quality but good, nice and legit. Bali or Lombok I can't say, I think both are possible. You should turn the handle by 180 degree!

The second one has a Javanese Blade, the workmanship of the handle and scabbard is low and I doubt that it's Balinese workmanship, looks Javanese or Madurese to my eyes but I just don't know, mid. 20th century? I've seen similar ones before but I don't know if they are made for selling purpose or for local use.

The third one is very, very nice, I like this blade and the handle as well. Sadly the scabbard is missing, it would be worth it to let made a new one for it. When you mean with "damage" the visible pitting, it's nothing you should bother about!

Regards,
Detlef
Hello, Sajen.

Can you help me ID the Pamor pattern of the first Keris? I've seldom a similar Balinese Keris with so much white part than black part in Pamor.
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