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Old 3rd July 2022, 09:47 AM   #1
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Default Just arrived: Tjibatoe style? Golok Paut Nyere?

Just arrived less than a couple of hours ago
From Gununghalu, a sub-district that is not far from Ciwidey (Tjiwidey).
It is from a known provenance, the previous owner is 75 years old. As far as he remembers, the golok is in their family at least since his grandfather.
Handle is made of water buffalo horn, wooden sheath, simpay made of brass?, simeut meuting from albino water buffalo horn.
The blade is most likely selap (sanmai), see last picture.
As a comparison, a picture (picture 1) of goloks which i took at Karl May's museum in Radebeul. In the late 1880s he was around Indonesia.
2nd picture was taken by my friend in the village next to the previous owner's house.
Friends of mine have a strong belief it is Cibatu (Tjibatoe) style.
The blade is i guess a paut nyere..
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Old 7th July 2022, 12:37 AM   #2
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Hullo naturalist!

In my understanding:
Meaning of "paoet njéré":
Visualise extricating a palm leaflet-spine from a tied bundle of them (usually used as a broom). The extraction is effected by grabbing the wide-end of the spine (from the “handle” end of the broom).
Thus a blade of “paoet njéré” form would necessarily narrow from the handle (to “emulate” the shape of the spine).
A blade that is opposite to the above (widens towards the tip in the same manner) is referred to as “beubeut njéré”.
BTW, an example of "paoet njéré" blade form is your post:
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...98&postcount=1

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Old 7th July 2022, 07:46 AM   #3
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Good day Ki Amuk,
Does it then fall to Salam Nunggal, even though the tip is pointy?
Or Sintung Bening due to having a straight back?

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Hullo naturalist!

In my understanding:
Meaning of "paoet njéré":
Visualise extricating a palm leaflet-spine from a tied bundle of them (usually used as a broom). The extraction is effected by grabbing the wide-end of the spine (from the “handle” end of the broom).
Thus a blade of “paoet njéré” form would necessarily narrow from the handle (to “emulate” the shape of the spine).
A blade that is opposite to the above (widens towards the tip in the same manner) is referred to as “beubeut njéré”.
BTW, an example of "paoet njéré" blade form is your post:
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...98&postcount=1

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Old 7th July 2022, 10:48 AM   #4
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Good day Ki Amuk,
Does it then fall to Salam Nunggal, even though the tip is pointy?
Or Sintung Bening due to having a straight back?
Hullo naturalist!

To my eyes, the blade is generically a Sintoeng (spathe). When polished brightly, I can accept it as "bening" (shiny).

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