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Old 26th February 2023, 08:01 PM   #61
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26 - Sabre and Pallash of Transylvanian prince János Kemény (1607–1662)

Note how similar the sabre is to this one http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...1&postcount=40
The curved hilt. Flared quillon ends, The scabbard decorations. Same period, 1600s to 1660s
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Old 27th February 2023, 02:05 PM   #62
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A few more effigies, from Transylvania this time. Primary source is: "Memory from the past, display for the future - early modern funeral monuments from the Transylvanian principality by Dóra Mérai (2017)".

a1 - Kendi/Kendy brothers tomb side plate, Alba Iulia/Gyulafehérvár Transylvania, Romania. Kendi Ferenc in 1534, was one of the organizers of Alvise Gritti's (minister of the Ottoman sultan, and regent of Hungary from 1530 to 1534) capture. In 1540, together with István Majlád/Ştefan Mailat, he attacked the Hungarian king János Szapolyai, and was therefore exiled and then pardoned by Queen Isabella Jagiellon. King Ferdinand I appointed him in 1553 Voivode of Transylvania, a position he held until 1556 alongside István Dobó. He was executed with his brother Antal for treason on August 31, 1558 on the orders of Isabella. They tried in fact, with Ferenc Bebek, to overthrow her from the Transylvanian throne during one of her stays in Poland. It is unclear if the two brothers had a common grave or not. It is also not certain that the side plate is from their tomb, however it does match the composition and size of two other plates from their tomb. The tomb might be just Antonius/Antal's and was comissioned by his son Franciscus/Ferenc III.
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Old 27th February 2023, 04:45 PM   #63
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b2 - Sükösd György (1589-†1631) - National History Museum of Transylvania, Cluj, Transylvania, Romania.

Dude's wearing some freaky armor! Nice koncerz and mace next to him. The knuckle bow and curved rear quillon (like a few other pallash and koncerz, see Kemény János) are a nice touch.
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Old 27th February 2023, 05:34 PM   #64
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c3 - Tomb effigy of Telegdi Miklós († before 1548, effigy made in 1563, 15 years later) - Tileagd/Mezőtelegd, Bihor county, Romania. Strange looking hilt, but worth including here, Not sure if koncerz or pallash.

Photo:http://www.kjnt.ro/ertektar/ertek/a-...rmatus-templom
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Old 5th March 2023, 09:32 AM   #65
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A few more acheological finds.

1 - Old type sabre with remarkably well preserved hilt fittings.
https://tula.bezformata.com/listnews...vka/112552478/
https://guns.club/news/events/tysyac...stavke-v-tule/
https://ti71.ru/photo/4239/
https://vestitula.ru/lenta/140871

2 - One posted by fellow forum member, Evgeny_K. Everything about it, the long quillons, the scabard fittings (look a bit like Thury György's and Skanderbeg's), even the Ottoman blade, screams "1550s-1610s rich man's sabre with a taste for Hungarian fashion".
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...2&postcount=15
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Old 5th March 2023, 10:55 AM   #66
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[QUOTE=Teisani;279470]b2 - Sükösd György (1589-†1631) - National History Museum of Transylvania, Cluj, Transylvania, Romania.

A nice match - Muzeul Județean de Istorie - BRAȘOV: http://clasate.cimec.ro/detaliu.asp?...D0F8A4A0406077
Blade and guard look nice, but the handle is likely new, mid-19th century?
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Old 5th March 2023, 01:19 PM   #67
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c3 - Tomb effigy of Telegdi MiklĂłs († before 1548, effigy made in 1563, 15 years later) - Tileagd/Mezőtelegd, Bihor county, Romania. Strange looking hilt, but worth including here, Not sure if koncerz or pallash.

Photo:http://www.kjnt.ro/ertektar/ertek/a-...rmatus-templom
I would dintinguish a koncerz from a pallasch by the following:

The Koncerz was not worn at ones body because it was too long. Carried while attached to saddle. Also the Koncerz wasn´t meant for fencing on foot with its lenght > 120 cm (up to 170 cm). There may or may not have been shortened versions which could be used also for fencing but I would expect them to have a more complex hilt in Western style which would basically result in a Rapier..
A Pallasch, for those who may read this and don´t know, has a medium lenght (ca. 80-90 cm) but broad (3-4 cm) blade and can be single (later)- or double-edged (earlier examples). Earlier ones tend to have a centric point while those from the 2nd half of the 18th century up to the end of the Napoleonic times tend to have a hatchet tip in Austrian and Hungarian regions. Some countries like France and German states however kept the centric point up until this kind of sword went out of use.

Judging by the hilt of mentioned epitaph I would not be surprised if that sword turned out to be a double-edged side sword by the way - the borders to the definition of an early Pallasch seem to be very fluent and doubtlessly the later evolved from the sidesword.
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Old 15th March 2023, 07:42 PM   #68
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Hieronim Chryzostom Chodkiewicz 1598-1613. This portret should be from 1613.
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Old 15th March 2023, 08:06 PM   #69
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Jan Karol Chodkiewicz 1570-1621. The description says the painting is 19th century, but if so, that sabre looks very "late 16th century" to me. Just look at the long quillons and scabard fittings. He looks to be in his 30s here, so 1600 to 1610 fits the sabre's style. Reminds me of Marek Sobieski's sabre cross-guard. And Illésházy Ferenc's sabre a bit.
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Krzysztof Zbaraski 1579-1627. My guess, portret from 1622 to 1627, although the description says 1610s.
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Stanisław Żółkiewski 1547-1620
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Andrzej Firlej 1537-1585. Notice the gold wire wrap on the hilt. Same as on the Bathory and Bebek sabres.
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Old 20th March 2023, 10:59 AM   #73
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Coat of arms granted by Transylvanian Prince, Bocskai István to János Károly (Kassa, November 6, 1606). See link for better pictures. https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/2195
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Queen Isabella grants Lukács Zutori Szabó a CoA. Date, 1548.https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/3049
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Bratislava 1619. Ferdinand II https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/2985
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Vienna 1629. Sabre with knuckle bow. https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...datbazis/1152/
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Vienna 1569. https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...datbazis/1152/
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King Matthias I of Hungary grants CoA to nobleman Gergely Nagy, nobleman Péter Huszár of Szerdahely 1466. https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/1021
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King Rudolph of Hungary, Vienna1583. https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/7052
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King János I of Hungary 1540. https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...azis/adatlap/5
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King of Hungary, Ulászló, Buda 1515. https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/7197
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Ferdinand I. King of Hungary. Date estimated 1531-1558.
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Lipot I of Transylvania 1698. L-guard sabre https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...is/adatlap/711
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Ferdinand II king of Hungary. 1622
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Sigismund Bathory 1599 https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...is/adatlap/105
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Ferdinand I king of Hungary 1555. Copy of original! https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/1296
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Ferdinand I king of Hungary 1549. https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...azis/adatlap/8
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Ferdinand III 1645. Another L-guard. https://adatbazisokonline.mnl.gov.hu...s/adatlap/1199
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Ferdinand II king of Hungary. 1628. L-guard sabre.
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