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Old 25th February 2024, 08:05 PM   #1
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Default Help with translation of the Ottoman yatagan, 18th century.

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Dear friends , please help with translation!
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Old 25th February 2024, 08:08 PM   #2
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Old 27th February 2024, 07:14 PM   #3
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Can only help you with the date "1218" => 1803
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Old 12th March 2024, 09:36 AM   #4
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With the help of a friend, the text was read .Year 1218 (Circa 1803). Made by Hajji (pilgrim) Nouh, owner Halil Ağa.
Ağa is a military rank which has no equvelance in today's miltary and it is between a captain and a major.
Ağa usullay cammanded 1000 jennissaries.
The rest are the names of the Seven Sleepers of Ephesus
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Old 19th March 2024, 04:27 PM   #5
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Additional:

Aga or Agha was also a honorific title or name given to respected men, who were not to be addressed with Beg / Bey or Effendi for one reason or another in the Ottoman Empire.
So not always a reference to a military rank or position of the owner
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Aga or Agha was also a honorific title or name given to respected men, who were not to be addressed with Beg / Bey or Effendi for one reason or another in the Ottoman Empire.
So not always a reference to a military rank or position of the owner
Besides the inscription, there are many other reasons to believe that the yatagan belonged to a Janissar

In a literal translation, it can also be translated as older brother
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Old 27th March 2024, 12:55 AM   #7
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Nice yataghan, why do you mean that there are other signa that it belonged to janissari? There are no janissari seals on blade, they had seals like markings of regiment, that vere struck on blades, this doesent have that.
That ivory? Like decoration on ear is a later ad on as i can see.
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Old 27th March 2024, 12:56 AM   #8
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Yes that white thing is a later and crude one ad on.
Allso two extra smaller pins, has it ben repaired on parazvana?
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Nice yataghan, why do you mean that there are other signa that it belonged to janissari? There are no janissari seals on blade, they had seals like markings of regiment, that vere struck on blades, this doesent have that.
That ivory? Like decoration on ear is a later ad on as i can see.
The yataghan was a non-combatant personal weapon of the Turkish Janissaries. According to one version, the yataghan came from an elongated knife, which was carried by these privileged warriors of the Turkish sultans. The Janissaries, who were distinguished by their violent temperament and tendency to rebel, did not have the right to leave their barracks with any weapons, with the exception of knives. They learned to get around this ban by increasing the length of their knives.

In the inscriptions, along with the name of the master, the name of the owner is always written, made in the same technique as the rest of the inscriptions, and the decoration of the blade; this indicates that the weapon was made to order.

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The yataghan was a non-combatant personal weapon of the Turkish Janissaries.

Regards, Yuri.
correction: Ottoman Janissars.

FYI:

most were not of "Turkish"origin but actually children from occupied (mostly Balkan) countries.

interesting to read :

https://www.google.nl/books/edition/...0AEACAAJ?hl=nl

http://www.bev.ba/MOMARAFO/ET/krater...sokolovic.html

https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Janissary

they also were a partial reason for the pan-slavic thoughts and uprising in that region:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Serbian_Uprising
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[QUOTE=gp;289972]correction: Ottoman Janissars.

You are absolutely right - Ottoman Janissaries.

I know very well how and from whom the Janissary corps was formed, I have enough knowledge and books on this topic.

At the beginning of the reign of Sultan Murad I (1959-1389), a new army was formed, which was called the Janissaries.

The question was different, that the yataghan was a non-combatant personal weapon, made to order. Therefore, there could be no regimental markings.

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correction: Ottoman Janissars.


I know very well how and from whom the Janissary corps was formed, I have enough knowledge and books on this topic.


Regards, Yuri.
my remarks on the Janissars and literature were not to criticize you; apologies if you got that impression !

But put here actuallly as additional info for forum members, just like the liternature at the bottom of this

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ure#post275457

as the knowledge on the Balkans and Ottoman Empire is limited
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[QUOTE=gp;289975][QUOTE=Pertinax;289973]


But put here actuallly as additional info for forum members

I will be happy to add a list of books, but they are in Russian.
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I will be happy to add a list of books, but they are in Russian.
Highly appreciated anyway !

FYI: some of the books and links I placed in this forum are Croatian, Serbian, Bosnian, German and even some publications in Russian.
The ones interested will always find a way to read or translate

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