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Forum: Ethnographic Weapons Today, 04:54 AM
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Viking age ended in 11 century. The earlier...

Viking age ended in 11 century. The earlier origin of “Varangian” sword are irrelevant to our discussion. What counts is an incontrovertible fact that it was Vikings ( Normans, Norsemen, Varangians ,...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons Today, 03:46 AM
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Posted By ariel
Double

Double
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons Today, 03:40 AM
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Posted By ariel
I had to go to a big review by Sally Church...

I had to go to a big review by Sally Church doi:10.2307/40727457.
She discusses the plausibility of the claim that Zheng He’s flotilla contained 450 feet long trade ships.
Everything is based on...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons Yesterday, 01:05 PM
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Posted By ariel
Obviously, earlier researchers did commit...

Obviously, earlier researchers did commit attributional errors when there was no ironclad information about the objects.

The correct attribution of Laz Bicagi appeared on this Forum in 2004 with...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons Yesterday, 12:06 PM
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Posted By ariel
Since Philip Tom with his vast knowledge of...

Since Philip Tom with his vast knowledge of Eastern weapons has joined the discussion, I would like to re-address my question to him:
- what are his thoughts about the peculiar form of the chape of...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons Yesterday, 05:59 AM
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Posted By ariel
The " Front Asian", allegedly Kazakh, example ...

The " Front Asian", allegedly Kazakh, example from Tashkent from the Russian Ethnographic Muzeum was not the only bizarre item from that album.

Items #162 and 163 both with Laz configuration of...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons Yesterday, 01:59 AM
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Posted By ariel
Sorry, sorry, sorry! Alzheimer moment…..

Sorry, sorry, sorry!
Alzheimer moment…..
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 2nd July 2022, 03:24 PM
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Posted By ariel
Lee, I know, it is a frustrating experience to...

Lee,
I know, it is a frustrating experience to show a sword for discussion and get zero responses.
In your case it is not so much lack of interest in a particular posting as the lack of knowledge...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 2nd July 2022, 04:08 AM
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Posted By ariel
Jim, Re. Your mention of a Laz Bichagi thought...

Jim,
Re. Your mention of a Laz Bichagi thought to be of Kurdish-Armenian origin, in the generally execrable album of weapons from the Russian Ethnographic Museum, #191 is an example of a sword with...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 2nd July 2022, 03:55 AM
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Posted By ariel
There is nothing “ unimaginable” about the khanda...

There is nothing “ unimaginable” about the khanda with Caucasian handle. Mindboggling yes, but one should also remember that Tiflis or Gurian kindjals of hign quality have pattern-welded damascus...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 1st July 2022, 01:14 PM
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Posted By ariel
Jim, Thanks for your detailed ( as usual)...

Jim,
Thanks for your detailed ( as usual) exposition tracing the development of our knowledge about those peculiar Trabzon swords.
As we see, even well before Tirri Danish authors mulled over...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 1st July 2022, 01:12 AM
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Posted By ariel
Yes, post 1066 Normans became the ruling class in...

Yes, post 1066 Normans became the ruling class in England, and that is still felt by the double definitions of certain things in the English language.
There were no Brits in the 13 century India,...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 1st July 2022, 12:56 AM
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Posted By ariel
I am not changing the subject: it was you who...

I am not changing the subject: it was you who mentioned “Russian” swords of 13 century. I just clarified that while we can legitimately speak of swords manufactured in Russia after ~ 15-16 century,...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 30th June 2022, 11:36 PM
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Posted By ariel
Tirry was wrong attributing Laz Bicagi to...

Tirry was wrong attributing Laz Bicagi to N.Africa, no doubt.

But we still do not know whence the inspiration for this weapon came.
Tirry based his attribution mainly on two factors: straighten...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 30th June 2022, 06:23 AM
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Posted By ariel
Kard in Farsi is jusr “knife”. They can be of any...

Kard in Farsi is jusr “knife”. They can be of any length.
“Tribalism” is determined by their decorations.
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 30th June 2022, 03:22 AM
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Posted By ariel
Rus has nothing to do with the current definition...

Rus has nothing to do with the current definition of Russia: Rus were Normans .
In the 13 century “ Russia’ as a state did not even exist: there were smal solitary city-states ruled by local princes...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 30th June 2022, 02:57 AM
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Posted By ariel
Looks like Bikaner arsenal markings. This to me...

Looks like Bikaner arsenal markings. This to me suggests some age.
Any weapon can be either sumpuous or plain and utilitarian.
Check the materiel of the handle: red-hot needle will tell youby the...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 28th June 2022, 11:35 PM
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Posted By ariel
Indeed, Fakr-i-Mudabbir's m/s does not extol the...

Indeed, Fakr-i-Mudabbir's m/s does not extol the superiority of Indian or Chinese blades. Please read carefully: Elgood simply quotes Digby's interpretation of Mudabbir's text as indicative of...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 28th June 2022, 11:44 AM
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Posted By ariel
Just to put a cherry on top, see Elgood’s ...

Just to put a cherry on top, see Elgood’s chapter on European swords in Deccan( “Sultans of the South” p.218).
On p.223 he cites Simon Digby that evidence by Fakr-i- Mudabbir in in Delhi early...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 27th June 2022, 12:43 PM
Replies: 14
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Posted By ariel
I think it ends the uncertainty: circa 1970-90 at...

I think it ends the uncertainty: circa 1970-90 at the earliest. If the seller knew when the original owner lived in Japan, it would be helpful.

BTW, niello cannot serve as a dating instrument,...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 26th June 2022, 08:36 PM
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Posted By ariel
Indeed, there is a long gap between 3 and 9 and a...

Indeed, there is a long gap between 3 and 9 and a missing 0 there is a theoretical possibility. Howevver, I cannot recall any Islamic date written with a number in the its middle omitted.
However,...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 26th June 2022, 12:35 PM
Replies: 8
Views: 505
Posted By ariel
Islamic dating very often omits not the last...

Islamic dating very often omits not the last number but the first one: millennium.
Rather than reading the date as a 139(?) it is ( IMHO) more likely to be 1139, i.e. 1726-27 Gregorian.
The...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 26th June 2022, 12:21 PM
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Posted By ariel
Joe, All four of us , yourself and seller...

Joe,
All four of us , yourself and seller included, think that the likelihood of this dagger being a modern creation is very real and pretty high ( IMHO it is 100%).

Does it mean that it is...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 24th June 2022, 07:16 PM
Replies: 14
Views: 774
Posted By ariel
I think this is a quite modern souvenir. Not...

I think this is a quite modern souvenir.
Not even considering its very modern mechanical decorations, the gift box with even a special knife holder is a dead giveaway.
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 24th June 2022, 06:24 PM
Replies: 4
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Posted By ariel
Usually, scabbard mounts with suspension rings ...

Usually, scabbard mounts with suspension rings belong together with crossguards. Here, I think, the scabbard might be from another sword. Thus, the posted sword as such and the scabbard may have...
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