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Forum: Ethnographic Weapons Yesterday, 01:37 AM
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Dear Rob: It's all good! Another identifier for...

Dear Rob: It's all good! Another identifier for me would be the spine...keping usually have thinner spines than barung. An assessment of the sword's different parts would be best to ascertain whether...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 26th May 2022, 07:21 AM
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Hi Ian, I agree that all of these can be...

Hi Ian, I agree that all of these can be considered as keping :)
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 26th May 2022, 03:03 AM
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Posted By xasterix
Yup it's tricky. One of the helpful things to...

Yup it's tricky. One of the helpful things to tell them apart is the hilt. Barung hilts have a different flavor vs keping hilts (whether original or re-make).
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 26th May 2022, 03:02 AM
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Posted By xasterix
Hi Ian, That indeed is a keping! The...

Hi Ian,

That indeed is a keping!

The interesting this is its provenance. According to my museum curator friend, at one point in time, Tugaya-dressed blades were considered a status symbol...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 26th May 2022, 12:02 AM
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Hi Rob, I believe they're all barungs.

Hi Rob, I believe they're all barungs.
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 25th May 2022, 01:31 AM
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Posted By xasterix
"Keping" is pretty much a catch-all term for all...

"Keping" is pretty much a catch-all term for all Maguindanao/Maranao blades that are leaf-shaped. Some don't look like wide leaf; others are slender and may have clipped points. Here are other...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 25th May 2022, 12:58 AM
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Posted By xasterix
Hi Rob: 1. Yes, those are both kepings. 2....

Hi Rob:

1. Yes, those are both kepings.
2. It means 'leaf' in the Maguindanaon language.
3. The distinction is that keping was a leaf-shaped bolo used in the Mindanao area (Maranao, Maguindanao,...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 25th May 2022, 12:54 AM
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Posted By xasterix
That's right sir, it's a "keping." In Jacinto...

That's right sir, it's a "keping." In Jacinto (1892) defined keping as "leaf" in his landmark work Diccionario Moro-Maguindanao-Espaņol. My Mindanao-based contacts say it's simply a leaf bolo....
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 24th May 2022, 08:43 PM
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Posted By xasterix
Nice piece, and it's neat that they put the...

Nice piece, and it's neat that they put the provenance! This indicates that it was likely made in Tugaya (it's located in Lanao del Sur).
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 24th May 2022, 08:42 PM
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Posted By xasterix
You're welcome! Yes, I'd agree that this piece...

You're welcome! Yes, I'd agree that this piece was assembled at around the same era as your kalis.
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 24th May 2022, 04:12 AM
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Posted By xasterix
Thanks for the confirmation Mr Jose- I'm not...

Thanks for the confirmation Mr Jose- I'm not familiar with the term "siput" used for barongs or barungs; but to my knowledge the long Sulu barungs would have a different build + dimensions than these...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 24th May 2022, 01:34 AM
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Posted By xasterix
Since the next question would be- what would a...

Since the next question would be- what would a keping look like? Here are a few samples I've come across. They were ID'd by a museum curator in Cagayan de Oro who has worked extensively with Maranao,...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 24th May 2022, 01:06 AM
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Posted By xasterix
Hi Detlef, The pommel matches Maranao...

Hi Detlef,

The pommel matches Maranao signatures. These are usually found leaf-shaped blades that are also called 'keping' (these blades have often been dressed up and mistaken for barungs. In...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 19th May 2022, 12:25 PM
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Posted By xasterix
Thanks for this, was just looking at this...

Thanks for this, was just looking at this yesterday. There's remarkable similarity regarding the carving placement (different okir though) between that kris with mine.
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 17th May 2022, 04:10 AM
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Posted By xasterix
Hi sir, can I see the butt-pommel of your krises?...

Hi sir, can I see the butt-pommel of your krises? I might come upon more insignias, I'll let you know if any of those match.
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 15th May 2022, 07:04 PM
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Posted By xasterix
Halloo sir Albert, in my eyes the pommel carving...

Halloo sir Albert, in my eyes the pommel carving looks closer to the Maranao torogan's pattern.
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 15th May 2022, 05:21 PM
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Posted By xasterix
Thanks for the kind words sir. That specific...

Thanks for the kind words sir. That specific torogan is called "Bantog-a-Unaya" located in Lanao del Sur; most of the royal house is in ruins unfortunately. It's estimated to be over a hundred years...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 15th May 2022, 02:30 PM
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Posted By xasterix
As supporting evidence that this indomalay-style...

As supporting evidence that this indomalay-style hilt was made in the Philippines- I noticed that the insignia carved into my kris butt pommel perfectly corresponds to the recurring okir structural...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 15th May 2022, 12:05 PM
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Posted By xasterix
Mr SanibelSwassa, I talked with a Malaysian keris...

Mr SanibelSwassa, I talked with a Malaysian keris collector and an Iranun friend who's also based in Malaysia. According to both of them, while the Indomalay-looking hilts that we have may seem...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 12th May 2022, 01:38 AM
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Posted By xasterix
Sorry to throw this in guys... but all PH figural...

Sorry to throw this in guys... but all PH figural hilts should be viewed with the blade pointing down, not up. Whether it's Luzon, Visayas, or Mindanao, all figural pommel samples you'll find are...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 11th May 2022, 05:28 PM
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Posted By xasterix
We can always look at the culturally-accurate...

We can always look at the culturally-accurate depictions: in this case, the original pattern as conceptualized by Bangsamoro hands. Here's an excerpt from the book "Ukkil: Visual Arts of the Sulu...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 10th May 2022, 06:06 PM
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Posted By xasterix
That's an interesting theory. But with regard to...

That's an interesting theory. But with regard to pattern, I think that upside-down pommel matches this better. You can even 1:1 the "mouth" of the drawn naga and circular design above its head, with...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 10th May 2022, 04:44 PM
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Posted By xasterix
There are several okir (Mindanao) and ukkil...

There are several okir (Mindanao) and ukkil (Sulu) motifs incorporating that shape/pattern that you isolated.

By chance, I was able to borrow some kris (probably preWW2-postWW2 era thereabouts)...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 10th May 2022, 11:25 AM
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Posted By xasterix
Thanks again to the both of you!

Thanks again to the both of you!
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 10th May 2022, 12:08 AM
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Posted By xasterix
Thanks David and Detlef, I'm totally clueless on...

Thanks David and Detlef, I'm totally clueless on keris and it shows. I'm just wondering if there are also keris hilt samples that have some sort of extended metal ferrule before the pommel (like mine...
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