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Forum: Keris Warung Kopi Yesterday, 11:05 PM
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Posted By A. G. Maisey
The way I was taught to understand complong was...

The way I was taught to understand complong was that it could be either an intentionally forged hole or gap ("complong" (Jav.) simply means "hole or gap or opening") or one that has been developed...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 15th September 2021, 01:47 AM
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Posted By A. G. Maisey
I'm not going to say anything about wootz, I do...

I'm not going to say anything about wootz, I do not understand the material, and I do not know how to recognise the types nor how to etch & stain them.

But I do understand mechanical damascus and...
Forum: Ethnographic Miscellania 8th September 2021, 04:19 AM
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Views: 10,549
Posted By A. G. Maisey
So --- this is the famous "Blue Bird of...

So --- this is the famous "Blue Bird of Happiness" ?
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 8th September 2021, 02:49 AM
Replies: 16
Views: 769
Posted By A. G. Maisey
$36CAD sounds more than reasonable. Some of...

$36CAD sounds more than reasonable.

Some of the prices I've seen myself, and have had others tell me about are just purely crazy.
Forum: Ethnographic Miscellania 8th September 2021, 01:30 AM
Replies: 35
Views: 10,549
Posted By A. G. Maisey
Well, since we have diverged from spurs into the...

Well, since we have diverged from spurs into the birds that wear them & the mules that eat the birds that wear them, we might be able to diverge a little more into the what one can face in the way...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 8th September 2021, 01:05 AM
Replies: 16
Views: 769
Posted By A. G. Maisey
YS, it is likely to cost you. BIG. I...

YS, it is likely to cost you.

BIG.

I bought my copy immediately it was published, forget when that was, but a long time ago.

Over the last few years I have seen it for sale at anywhere from...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 7th September 2021, 09:50 AM
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Views: 769
Posted By A. G. Maisey
YS there are two basic types of pamor...

YS there are two basic types of pamor construction:-

pamor mlumah and pamor miring

in pamor mlumah the layers of pamor material lay in the same plane as the core of the blade

in pamor miring...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 6th September 2021, 11:21 PM
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Views: 769
Posted By A. G. Maisey
I wouldn't say that lawe is more or less complex...

I wouldn't say that lawe is more or less complex than banyu, they are both complex, manipulated patterns.

What I would say is that there are variations in both patterns, and variations in opinions...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 6th September 2021, 12:23 PM
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Posted By A. G. Maisey
From what I can see, I would give this as Lawe...

From what I can see, I would give this as Lawe Setukal.

There are many variations of Lawe Setukal.

I have seen something like this named as Untuk Banyu, I think Tammens gives Unthuk Banyu as...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 5th September 2021, 10:09 AM
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Views: 977
Posted By A. G. Maisey
Yes Jean, I do understand your standards well. I...

Yes Jean, I do understand your standards well. I used pretty much the same standards until I was, let us say. "re-educated". In fact I still very much appreciate nice, and even not so nice older...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 4th September 2021, 10:15 PM
Replies: 12
Views: 977
Posted By A. G. Maisey
Green, I don't believe that our philosophies vary...

Green, I don't believe that our philosophies vary all that much, but it seems certain that our areas of interest do vary.

I have been handling keris since before I went to school, so probably from...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 3rd September 2021, 11:39 PM
Replies: 12
Views: 977
Posted By A. G. Maisey
My reasons were similar Jean. I have never...

My reasons were similar Jean.

I have never met the Javanese gentleman concerned, but I did know one of his teachers very well, and that combined with information from various other sources has...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 31st August 2021, 04:00 AM
Replies: 3
Views: 421
Posted By A. G. Maisey
Anthony, Pasupati is just a blessing ritual, it...

Anthony, Pasupati is just a blessing ritual, it is not just for keris, it can be for other things too, I saw it once for a weaving beam.

Tumpek Landep is due to take place in a couple of weeks...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 31st August 2021, 12:09 AM
Replies: 3
Views: 421
Posted By A. G. Maisey
When a ritual is used with a newly made keris it...

When a ritual is used with a newly made keris it is in most cases the Pasupati ritual that sanctifies the keris. I've said "most cases" because this is the ritual that seems to be most common, but I...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 30th August 2021, 01:25 AM
Replies: 12
Views: 977
Posted By A. G. Maisey
As far as I can see it is in Bahasa Indonesia. ...

As far as I can see it is in Bahasa Indonesia.

I've looked at a few things that relate to this book, and as with so many other keris books that have been published in recent times, I did not buy a...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 27th August 2021, 03:53 AM
Replies: 9
Views: 800
Posted By A. G. Maisey
I think it varies. There used to be one very...

I think it varies.

There used to be one very old gentleman in Solo who only did kinatah, not just on keris of course, but on other items as well. His work was the best of the best.

I really do...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 27th August 2021, 03:08 AM
Replies: 9
Views: 800
Posted By A. G. Maisey
David, I can possibly respond to this question a...

David, I can possibly respond to this question a little more fully than you might be able to.


When a keris is made and prepared for kinatah work it is then up to the retail seller to put gold...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 26th August 2021, 01:36 AM
Replies: 9
Views: 800
Posted By A. G. Maisey
It sometimes gets pretty difficult to tell the...

It sometimes gets pretty difficult to tell the difference David.

There was one really very high quality, old, Balinese keris that I had --- "old", it had been in Australia for over 100 years ---...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 25th August 2021, 10:02 PM
Replies: 9
Views: 800
Posted By A. G. Maisey
The sajen is recent, but more likely to be...

The sajen is recent, but more likely to be Javanese than Sumenep.

The Jogja keris blade is recent, but it appears to be a pretty decent keris, definitely Sumenep, Madura. The dress is older. This...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 18th August 2021, 07:06 AM
Replies: 13
Views: 1,445
Posted By A. G. Maisey
I think I might have this paper in one of my hard...

I think I might have this paper in one of my hard drives, its Jiri Jakl's work and I have a lot of his papers that I've downloaded.

Just did a quick skim of this and it echos what we can find in...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 17th August 2021, 02:03 PM
Replies: 13
Views: 1,445
Posted By A. G. Maisey
This is a very interesting post asomotif. I have...

This is a very interesting post asomotif. I have not seen a pangolin used as a hilt motif, in fact, I cannot remember seeing a pangolin used as a motif at all in Islamic era representations.

In...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 17th August 2021, 09:27 AM
Replies: 4
Views: 641
Posted By A. G. Maisey
Yes Jean, "Iron Ancestors" is a very nicely...

Yes Jean, "Iron Ancestors" is a very nicely produced book, excellent photographs, and Theo Alkema was a true gentleman.

But it would be wise to be a little careful with the text.
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 17th August 2021, 01:45 AM
Replies: 4
Views: 641
Posted By A. G. Maisey
Ganapati, I used to own a sub-collection of these...

Ganapati, I used to own a sub-collection of these items of tosan aji, but it has now moved to a private collection that is being prepared for public museum display.

I had this collection in a...
Forum: Ethnographic Weapons 17th August 2021, 12:34 AM
Replies: 3
Views: 772
Posted By A. G. Maisey
Yeah, a tombak. Overall it looks Javanese,...

Yeah, a tombak.

Overall it looks Javanese, the primary indicators for a tombak are the metuk --- the little baluster between blade base & shaft --- and the body form. In this tombak the metuk...
Forum: Keris Warung Kopi 13th August 2021, 09:54 PM
Replies: 4
Views: 784
Posted By A. G. Maisey
Agreed on all counts.

Agreed on all counts.
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