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Gavin Nugent 24th September 2015 02:37 PM

Pamor
 
Question;

Is there a specific name within the Keris world for blades that have distinct differing pamors on each blade face?

With thanks

Gavin

Rick 24th September 2015 04:20 PM

Dwi Warna, Gavin IIRC .
If I'm not someone will be along to correct the error soon . :D

Gavin Nugent 25th September 2015 02:28 AM

Thanks Rick,

I ran it through the translator to get an understanding of the literal translation;

Dwi was not recognised but Warna is colour so if I was to hazard a guess this would be double colour?

Could this term then be used on a blade that also shows two pamor on the one face of the blade?

With thanks

Gavin

Rick 25th September 2015 02:53 AM

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/search...earchid=519555

Gavin Nugent 25th September 2015 03:17 AM

Some helpful reading, thank you.

Gavin

Rick 25th September 2015 03:21 AM

I thought it the best way for me to help you, Gav . :)

A. G. Maisey 26th September 2015 10:04 AM

in this context of pamor, 'warna' means pamor.

'dwi' = two

'tri' = three

'panca' = five.

thus dwi warna = two pamors, tri warna = three pamors, panca warna = five pamors

Gavin Nugent 27th September 2015 12:36 AM

Hi Alan,

Am I correct in the application of these words being that it can refer to both a differing pamor to each face and also differing pamors to one face or is there more specific terms when drilling down this much.

With thanks

Gavin

A. G. Maisey 27th September 2015 01:15 AM

no gavin, these terms only refer to differing pamors that are the same on each blade face, when you have a different pamor on each blade face it is called pamor tangkis and is considered to be a protective device against black magic.

Gavin Nugent 27th September 2015 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey
no gavin, these terms only refer to differing pamors that are the same on each blade face, when you have a different pamor on each blade face it is called pamor tangkis and is considered to be a protective device against black magic.

Thank you Alan.

Sajen 27th September 2015 11:56 AM

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Keris tangkis example.

Gustav 28th September 2015 10:49 AM

On Lombok different Pamor on each blade side is called Pamor Seliwah, according to Ir. H. Lalu Djelenga.

Gavin Nugent 28th September 2015 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gustav
On Lombok different Pamor on each blade side is called Pamor Seliwah, according to Ir. H. Lalu Djelenga.

Thank you Gustav.

I am wondering about the name in other keris cultures too, Malaysia, Southern Thailand, Sumatra, Bali and the many others...Would Bali fall under the Java name perhaps?

Gavin

Sajen 28th September 2015 11:21 AM

[QUOTE=Gavin Nugent]...Would Bali fall under the Java name perhaps?/QUOTE]

I doubt. :shrug:

David 17th February 2021 10:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gustav
On Lombok different Pamor on each blade side is called Pamor Seliwah, according to Ir. H. Lalu Djelenga.

i am resurrecting this old thread because i just encountered this name Pamor Seliwah regarding such pamor in Lombok in another place so this can confirm that name to a certain extent, though it is quite possible this other source got this info from Ir. H. Lalu Djelenga to begin with. I believe in Jawa this would also be referred to as keris tangkis.
Here is my humble example.


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