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DavidFriedman 5th April 2021 07:19 AM

Qajar or Afsharid ?
 
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Greetings friends,
I was wondering if anyone may be able to help me determine if this Persian straight sword with unique rounded Zulfiqar tip was made during the Qajar Dynasty or the Afsharid Dynasty. These swords, to my understanding are associated with the Qajar era, but were these ever fashioned during the slightly earlier Afsharid era?

The koftgari on the blade is an inscription of Quranic verse. I wish I could read it.

Any thoughts on this piece would be most highly appreciated.

Thanks.

Ian 6th April 2021 05:57 AM

Moderator's comment
 
Hi David,

Interesting sword. Would you please post a picture of the entire sword. This is a requirement for submitting a request for translation of an inscription (as stated in the "sticky" relating to translations, towards the top of the Ethnographic contents page). You will also get much better answers to your various questions with a picture of the entire sword.

Thanks.

Ian

DavidFriedman 6th April 2021 06:19 AM

Hi Ian, my apologies. I’ve been having a hard time posting. Some time delay from entry to appearance on the forum. Also I need to shrink the images I have, rather large.

Will add more pics of course.

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Originally Posted by Ian
Hi David,

Interesting sword. Would you please post a picture of the entire sword. This is a requirement for submitting a request for translation of an inscription (as stated in the "sticky" relating to translations, towards the top of the Ethnographic contents page). You will also get much better answers to your various questions with a picture of the entire sword.

Thanks.

Ian


DavidFriedman 6th April 2021 06:25 AM

More pictures
 
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Here are the added photos.

Kubur 6th April 2021 08:07 AM

From what I see it's 99% Qajar 19th c.

It will be 100% if the whole sword is shown for confirmation.

Maybe with round tip, it'll be Indian or Indo-Persian...

;)

Battara 7th April 2021 12:31 AM

Please show a picture of the whole piece so that you may gain more feedback.

DavidFriedman 8th April 2021 08:31 AM

Full picture
 
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Here is a full picture of my Persian sword. It had been described as a Qajar Dynasty piece. But some of the floral koftgari on it seems to me to be similar to a Shamshir attributed to the Afsharid era. So if anyone has specific insight on the possibility, I would be most appreciative.

Thanks.

DavidFriedman 8th April 2021 11:37 PM

More pics
 
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Hi, it’s taking 8-24 hours to upload my posts for some reason. Here is another picture of the entire Persian sword.

Thanks

DavidFriedman 9th April 2021 06:12 AM

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A full length picture. Thanks

Oliver Pinchot 14th April 2021 07:23 PM

It is Qajar, made in the reign of Nasr al-Din Shah (r. 1848-1896.)
He was responsible for the neoclassicism in arms and armor and generally, for Iran's cultural revival.

Philip 15th April 2021 05:43 PM

I wonder what the significance is of the tokhes-shaped or gluteoform tip.

Kubur 15th April 2021 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Philip
I wonder what the significance is of the tokhes-shaped or gluteoform tip.

Clearly it is not a sex toy...
So probably a baby zulfiqar... It will make more sense in Persian context.
:shrug:

Philip 16th April 2021 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Kubur
Clearly it is not a sex toy...
So probably a baby zulfiqar... It will make more sense in Persian context.
:shrug:

Well, Iran has quite a tradition of eroticism in the arts. I thought that the poetic expression was Sufistic spiritualism expressed in a physical metaphor, but some years ago a collector showed me a 18th or 19th cent. khanjar, with a nice black wootz blade and an exquisitely carved ivory grip of classic form, inscriptions top and bottom, with a scene that left nothing to the imagination. Neither of us could read the lingo, I still wonder what the script said.

DavidFriedman 17th April 2021 04:13 AM

Perfumed Garden
 
Hi Philip,
I will look over my copy of The Perfumed Garden, and see if this type of “weapon” was employed in their pillow arts. A quintessential pillow sword of a nobleman. Though I would hope it was designed for more warmongering courtly pleasures.

I too have seen a Katar that would make Pamela Anderson blush. Scenes painted on it, that probably were subliminal messages to the nobleman date that night as they drank wine and ate figs.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Philip
Well, Iran has quite a tradition of eroticism in the arts. I thought that the poetic expression was Sufistic spiritualism expressed in a physical metaphor, but some years ago a collector showed me a 18th or 19th cent. khanjar, with a nice black wootz blade and an exquisitely carved ivory grip of classic form, inscriptions top and bottom, with a scene that left nothing to the imagination. Neither of us could read the lingo, I still wonder what the script said.



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