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francantolin 4th August 2021 10:02 PM

medieval style stiletto
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Hello dear members,

I got this dagger, 39cm long
too shiny-nice for being really a medieval piece,
there is a mark on the blade, maybe a Fleur de Lys.

The wooden hilt and the iron guard are really well made and could be pretty old ( 19th century ),
just the blade seems too perfect for being an old piece so maybe a recent 20th century blacksmith repro with the classical Fleur-de-Lys mark ??

What do you think ?

Kind regards

Battara 6th August 2021 03:41 AM

You might be right. Check the crevice between the hilt and base of the blade to look at the patina.

It could also be an over cleaned blade.........only the patina would tell us, though I'm betting that it is a newer blade.

BTW - I still like it.

fernando 6th August 2021 11:11 AM

Josť, you have a PM.

francantolin 6th August 2021 06:47 PM

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Hello Battara,
thank's a lot for your message,
( and no PM for me :) )
I can't see a lot between the hilt and the base of the blade,
I put pictures, maybe it helps.

On the basis of the blade, there is a sign of mechanical sanding so maybe is has been over cleaned
but it contrasts with the hilt and guard, really well preserved ( especially the wood hilt ) for being really old..?.

shayde78 7th August 2021 03:16 AM

So...this is now the third one of these I have seen. The first one I saw, I bought and posted here

I also posted pictures from the auction selling the second example. I am still waiting to get clarity on the origins of these. I look forward to seeing if the presence of three such examples generates any new insights.

francantolin 7th August 2021 01:21 PM

Thank you for you message and the link,
Exactly the same dagger, ...!?...
have you got too the same ''Lys'' mark on the basis of the blade ?
Or maybe you sold it recently ( to me ;) )

For the origin , if it's recent, maybe it's an east european production ?
Didn't find the same dagger but the global feeling makes me think of czeck forged swords...

mariusgmioc 8th August 2021 07:50 PM

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This is a recently made dagger (not stiletto).

1. The cross-guard is made from a flat band of steel that was not thick enough to encompass the whole circumference of circular decorations, that were left with some flat sides (see 1).

2. The bulbs at the ends of the cross-guard were screwed on the base (see 2).

3. The wooden hilt is in far too good condition for even a piece of the historicism.

4. There is too little residual rust at the joint of the blade with the cross-guard for an antique piece. For an antique piece they would be fused together by rust (see 4).

5. The tang is very thin and flimsy for such a long blade and the hole in the cross-guard drilled circular, not matching the cross-section of the tang (see 5).

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