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Oliver Pinchot 17th January 2021 07:22 PM

Youtube video on Classical Greek armor in the Philippines
 
An academic approach to...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5q8V...e=emb_err_woyt

Battara 17th January 2021 11:50 PM

Well I would say there are some issues with the information in this video.

I am intrigued with the armour and would have loved to hear more and it would have been great to see where they were found and the background.

However, one "axe" was actually a Tibetan grigung, also known as a kartika. The other piece also looks Tibetan as well.

The helmets do have a Filipino motif, but again need background research on them.

I guess I question the authenticity, research, and provenance of these pieces.

Sorry but I am extremely skeptical, also because I know that many, many fakes are made in the Philippines right now, ie. lantakas.

Oliver Pinchot 18th January 2021 03:55 AM

This is the point.
These are newly made pieces with confused motifs that have
been recently patinated. Nonetheless, people who no basis whatsoever in
forms, decoration or age blithely harvest data from the net; this is the result.

Ian 19th January 2021 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara
I guess I question the authenticity, research, and provenance of these pieces.

Sorry but I am extremely skeptical, also because I know that many, many fakes are made in the Philippines right now, ie. lantakas.

Absolutely. These are recently made and patinated to look old, as noted by Oliver. There is more and more of this stuff coming out of the Philippines.

Rick 19th January 2021 04:50 AM

The first look at these sitting on a flea market table did it for me. I expect they're fakes from China.

Kubur 19th January 2021 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian
Absolutely. These are recently made and patinated to look old, as noted by Oliver. There is more and more of this stuff coming out of the Philippines.


It's the proof that Philipino and Chinese are extremely clever, if stupid people are ready to pay for these things.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliver Pinchot
An academic approach to...

Of course, I'm sure that's ironic. These American TV shows are made by cheap journalists. The same who are doing TV shows about Egyptian and Maya pyramids made by Aliens/ET. I's just crap TV. Of course, sometimes, scholars are involved, I think scholars are like us, some are good, some are bad...

:shrug:

Gonzoadler 19th January 2021 10:51 AM

This documentation is like a trash movie, unintentionally funny and stupid.
The showed pieces are cheap reproductions and fantasy items, I think that is clear.

Ian 19th January 2021 12:21 PM

The video is very poor quality, amateur Filipino work. It's basically a Powerpoint slideshow with (heavily accented) voice over. The low resolution images make everything look out of focus. It's unlikely this was made for local Philippines television--it would have been narrated in Tagalog, Cebuano, or another native language. I think it was made for youtube. :shrug:

Despite this negative example, there are several very talented film makers in the Philippines.

mariusgmioc 19th January 2021 01:00 PM

Maybe going a little beyond the subject of this thread...

The only reliable method of dating iron objects is radiocarbon dating.
And this is very expensive and in most cases completely inaccessible.

Even more difficult is dating bronze objects. The few methods used (voltammetric, metalographic, radiocarbon) are very expensive, hardly accessible and do not give very reliable results.

At the same time, various techniques of aging metals are available that give results practically undistinguishable from natural aging processes.

So there should be no surprise that the antique metal objects market is literally flooded with fakes that in some cases can fool the most versed experts.


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