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AHorsa 4th July 2021 04:18 PM

Frisian or Flemish wooden part of a carriage?
 
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Dear All

I just acquired this wooden piece which measured 113 x 33cm and is pretty heavy (I donīt have a scale, but I guess around 20 Kg).
It comes form Friesland but I think it also could be Flemish (or sth totally different). It seems to be pretty old. There are remains of rectangular nails and the depiction of the lion looks pretty old to me. It was later converted into a wardrobe, but after all I think it originally could have been a part from a 18th century carriage. I hope somebody can help to identify that piece.

Any opinion appreciated

Kind regards
Andreas

ariel 12th July 2021 07:48 PM

Nice!!! Great carving and beautiful patination.
Since you presumably do not have a carriage, it might serve just as a splendid wall hanging. Do you have a fireplace?
BTW, there is something "Chinese" in this lion.

Saracen 12th July 2021 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ariel (Post 264330)
BTW, there is something "Chinese" in this lion.

I think it's a Sinhala lion. Maybe there is some connection with Dutch Ceylon?
Then that piece is not younger than the end of the 18th century.

AHorsa 13th July 2021 11:10 PM

Thanks for your comments! Sadly I do not have a neither fireplace nor a horse wagon :)


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Originally Posted by Saracen (Post 264332)
I think it's a Sinhala lion.

Thats a pretty interesting idea. I meanwhile found some similar examples, but the lions look different
https://www.imago-images.com/st/0089458027

If the lion on the piece in discussion has a link to a dutch colony, that would make it an interesting piece of history

Saracen 17th July 2021 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by AHorsa (Post 264377)
If the lion on the piece in discussion has a link to a dutch colony, that would make it an interesting piece of history

This link seems obvious to me. Some stylistic elements of this image of a lion have obvious traditional features, which can be seen, for example, on the pommel of the kastane sword. Probably the master or the customer of this work wanted to emphasize his connection with Ceylon.

Ren Ren 18th July 2021 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Saracen (Post 264332)
I think it's a Sinhala lion. Maybe there is some connection with Dutch Ceylon?
Then that piece is not younger than the end of the 18th century.

This is a beautiful version!
I think that the answer may be suggested by studying the wood from which the carved part is made.
If it is tropical wood, then there is a high probability that the carving was carried out in Ceylon (or another colony). If the wood is of European origin, then I doubt that it was exported for processing.

Saracen 18th July 2021 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Ren Ren (Post 264479)
If the wood is of European origin, then I doubt that it was exported for processing.

Why do you exclude the work of a master who was taken out of the colony in the metropole? Only some elements have Ceylon shades, the overall composition is Dutch.

Ren Ren 18th July 2021 02:04 AM

I am not aware of the facts of the export of labor from the colonies to Europe before the 1st World War. But I cannot rule it out completely.

Saracen 18th July 2021 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ren Ren (Post 264482)
I am not aware of the facts of the export of labor from the colonies to Europe before the 1st World War. But I cannot rule it out completely.

You wouldn't say that people couldn't just travel, would you? :)
Anytime.
I do not think that the analysis of wood can give a reliable result, even if its origin is established. There are many explanations for the appearance of the Sinhala lion on a product made of European wood, for example, from the hands of a Dutch master who wanted to emphasize some of connection with Ceylon. His own or the customer's.

Ren Ren 19th July 2021 01:22 AM

Amazing things rarely happen. We both know how a little black boy from Abyssinia made an excellent career in military service in Russia - in the middle of the 18th century he was promoted to brigadier general.

Saracen 19th July 2021 07:13 PM

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Such things happen more often, although this does not make them any less amazing.
Don't need to be a little black Ibrahim Petrovich :) to keep in touch with the culture of a foreign country that has become close and surround yourself with objects of this culture after returning to your homeland.
The example of a "White Bedouin" seems to me more appropriate in the context of this discussion).

M ELEY 20th July 2021 08:09 AM

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I could believe Singhalese lion as well, as they were often stylized. here's my hanger presumably made in Ceylon ca.1660 for the Dutch market-

kahnjar1 22nd July 2021 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Saracen (Post 264529)
Such things happen more often, although this does not make them any less amazing.
Don't need to be a little black Ibrahim Petrovich :) to keep in touch with the culture of a foreign country that has become close and surround yourself with objects of this culture after returning to your homeland.
The example of a "White Bedouin" seems to me more appropriate in the context of this discussion).

Your subject photo is of course T.E.Lawrence.....Lawrence of Arabia.
Stu

Saracen 22nd July 2021 04:08 PM

Yes, of course. "White Bedouin" is the name of a statuette by Kathleen Scott, for which Lawrence of Arabia posed.


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