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David 13th January 2021 03:15 PM

Well, as someone who seems to be especially prone to pareidolia i also see faces in the vegetal design of these hilts. I suppose it is debatable if these faces are intentional or not, but to me it seems likely that as Islamic restrictions on depicting human form came into play this was the result.

Sajen 13th January 2021 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey
Yeah, it is possible to see a face in some of them, and again, yeah, other published sources do call them janggelan.

Personally, I'd like a different name for them, but I've never heard one.

Yes, I also would like a different name for them, personally I see a apparent resemblance to floral putra satu hilts.

Regards,
Detlef

Sajen 13th January 2021 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jean
No Sajen, I agree with you, and this is why some (mostly Western) people call them vegetation god... Nice collection by the way!

Thank you Jean! :) It's a hilt style I like very much.

Regards,
Detlef

Sajen 13th January 2021 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by David
I suppose it is debatable if these faces are intentional or not, but to me it seems likely that as Islamic restrictions on depicting human form came into play this was the result.

Agree with you David.

Regards,
Detlef

Athanase 13th January 2021 08:56 PM

Very nice collection Detlef ;)
I love this type of hilt.

Sajen 14th January 2021 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Athanase
Very nice collection Detlef ;)
I love this type of hilt.

Thank you SÚverin! :) I have three more in the collection, will post pictures at the weekend.

Regards,
Detlef

Athanase 2nd April 2021 01:01 PM

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Here is my hilt in this style.

Sajen 2nd April 2021 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Athanase
Here is my hilt in this style.

Four very nice hilts SÚverin! :cool:

Sajen 2nd April 2021 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Sajen
I have three more in the collection, will post pictures at the weekend.

It was a very long weekend, sorry! :D :D :D

Here the three others which can maybe attributed to the same style!? :shrug:

Interested Party 2nd April 2021 02:07 PM

One always wonder about the history of these pieces. For instance, what happened to the seluts? Were they very nice and sold off at some point or did they simply wear out or get lost because they weren't nice? What kinds of people owned this kind of knife when it was first made? Being from Madura was this a soldier's sidearm?

It looks like there is an occasional face hidden in the vegetation of these.

Athanase 2nd April 2021 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Interested Party
One always wonder about the history of these pieces. For instance, what happened to the seluts? Were they very nice and sold off at some point or did they simply wear out or get lost because they weren't nice? What kinds of people owned this kind of knife when it was first made? Being from Madura was this a soldier's sidearm?

It looks like there is an occasional face hidden in the vegetation of these.

In my head I think of two solutions:
Either the Seluts were in silver y and we were sold at a time when the family needed money.
Either they were damaged during disassembly for the ritual cleaning of the blade and once too damaged they were removed.

Sajen 2nd April 2021 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Interested Party
One always wonder about the history of these pieces. For instance, what happened to the seluts? Were they very nice and sold off at some point or did they simply wear out or get lost because they weren't nice?

Agree with the statement from SÚverin, look for example to the one from him where the selut is still present.

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Originally Posted by Interested Party
looks like there is an occasional face hidden in the vegetation of these.

Yes, like mentioned before! ;)


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