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xasterix 31st May 2021 09:01 PM

Share your favorite laminated weapon!
 
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As the title suggests- among your weapons, what are your favorite laminated ones and why?

To start off- here's my kalis and kris, both of which have white-tinged laminations which glint when put to light. Not so clear on my cellphone camera, but you get the idea. I like them because of the contrast of the white-tinged areas on the rest of the blade and how it reflects on sunlight.

All laminated ethnographic weapons (not only blades) are welcome :)

Rafngard 3rd June 2021 02:06 AM

One of my favorite gunongs, previously posted here, has an impressive laminated blade.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=23088

Enjoy,
Leif

mariusgmioc 3rd June 2021 06:37 AM

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One of my favorites is a Georgian laminated qama.
Another of my favourites is a small yataghan in Turkish ribbon.
Last but not least is a Balinese wedhung (I cleaned and re-etched the blade, so now looks much better than in the photos).

xasterix 3rd June 2021 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Rafngard (Post 263183)
One of my favorite gunongs, previously posted here, has an impressive laminated blade.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=23088

Enjoy,
Leif

Very nice Leif, I think that has nickel mixed in also. Great contrast!

xasterix 3rd June 2021 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc (Post 263187)
One of my favorites is a Georgian laminated qama.
Another of my favourites is a small yataghan in Turkish ribbon.
Last but not least is a Balinese wedhung (I cleaned and re-etched the blade, so now looks much better than in the photos).

Excellent laminations sir- the first two are great, but the wedhung is jaw-dropping, it's my first time to see one etched like that!

Rafngard 3rd June 2021 08:56 PM

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Here's some better pics, along with another nicely laminated gunong.

Thanks,
Leif

A. G. Maisey 3rd June 2021 10:00 PM

This wedung pamor motif is a descendent of Dietrich Drescher's "Pamor Poleng", designed by Mr. Drescher and executed by Empu Pauzan Pusposukadgo of Surakarta.

This motif was later copied by the pandes of Aeng Tong-tong near Sumenep in Madura. I have a Madura keris bethok with the poleng motif.

David 3rd June 2021 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey (Post 263206)
This wedung pamor motif is a descendent of Dietrich Drescher's "Pamor Poleng", designed by Mr. Drescher and executed by Empu Pauzan Pusposukadgo of Surakarta.

This motif was later copied by the pandes of Aeng Tong-tong near Sumenep in Madura. I have a Madura keris bethok with the poleng motif.

Alan, can i assume you were addressing the wedung in Marius' post #3?

A. G. Maisey 4th June 2021 02:44 AM

Yes David

A. G. Maisey 4th June 2021 03:04 AM

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Yes David


Here is a photo of a picture in a pamphlet of the original by Empu Pauzan.

This keris was presented to a Government Minister, Bapak Mengko Polkam H. Surono.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=24665

JustYS 4th June 2021 03:31 AM

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Originally Posted by David (Post 263207)
Alan, can i assume you were addressing the wedung in Marius' post #3?

Hi David,

Poleng motif or Kotak-kotak motif can be translated to Checkered motif.

I believe it is easier to remember if we know the meaning of the pamor's name.

Cheers,

A. G. Maisey 4th June 2021 04:27 AM

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Here is my favourite laminated knife, not at all flamboyant, no fancy pattern welding, but over 4000 nominal layers of material, and it has been hardened & the temper drawn.

Battara 11th June 2021 04:14 AM

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This is one gunong (that was stolen years ago) that I had with a very tight lamination:

Battara 11th June 2021 04:16 AM

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Here is a Sulu kris I have, early, with an interesting double twist core.

Gonzoadler 11th June 2021 08:41 PM

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My georgian Kindjal from the early 19th century is my favourite.

SanibelSwassa 12th June 2021 11:21 PM

1800’s Kris
 
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Just got this piece from the auction of David’s collection. I am honored to be its keeper for a time.

pindang 13th June 2021 09:04 PM

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Here’s a few with laminations… a kalis, barung, and a couple of spear heads.

Lee 14th June 2021 06:17 PM

Very nice! Those narrow light colored curving lines in the twist core (pattern-welded) panel of the left spear head will contain nickel.

pindang 14th June 2021 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee (Post 263552)
Very nice! Those narrow light colored curving lines in the twist core (pattern-welded) panel of the left spear head will contain nickel.

Good eye Lee. The narrow light colored lines almost look chrome in person.

Lee 14th June 2021 10:25 PM

Just before the pandemic struck, I had performed a survey of my collection with an XRF analyzer. When we think of medieval Europe and twist-core patterns, iron with phosphorus was most often used to get the lighter colored areas. Modern bladesmiths will use nickel or nickel alloys (even meteorite). Interestingly, many of the Moro pieces show use of both materials. I hope to finish analyzing the data before too much longer, but your spear showed the feature ever so well. It could be chrome, but I doubt it as it looks like an item of respectable age. Thank you again for showing these.

Ian 15th June 2021 07:37 AM

Interesting technique ...
 
Lee raises a very good point about the usefulness of X-Ray Fluorescence (XRF) in assessing the elemental composition of blades. While there are some technical issues with detecting certain elements, the technique is non-destructive and well suited to analyzing the surface of weapons. It offers important insight, for example, into the metals used in old blades. Look forward to seeing what the results turn up, Lee.

Kurt 15th June 2021 10:06 AM

Laminated Kindjal Blade
 
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Here is an example of a Kindjal blade.
Kurt

Gonzoadler 15th June 2021 06:33 PM

Great and rare piece, Kurt!:)

Drabant1701 17th June 2021 10:08 AM

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When I bought this dagger it was very polihed but I thought I saw patterns in the steel. I etched and hoped for wootz, it was not. Even so I really like the pattern and how it transfers to the T-spine.

Rick 17th June 2021 06:45 PM

^^^
I'd love to see a picture of the entire piece. :)

Drabant1701 17th June 2021 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick (Post 263659)
^^^
I'd love to see a picture of the entire piece. :)

Sure thing Rick :) Its a rather large dagger right around 50cm long.

francantolin 17th June 2021 09:12 PM

Amazing piece !!! I Love it !:)
Is the scabbard made of wootz ??

Rick 17th June 2021 09:21 PM

Wow!!
The blade looks like Bali pamor.
What did you etch it with?
Stunning.
Thank you.

Drabant1701 17th June 2021 09:38 PM

The scabbard is velvet on wood.
I etched with ferric cloride first and polished it. Then I did a final etch with hot instant coffe (very, very, VERY strong)for 30 minutes.
I have not gotten that to work on wootz sadly.

francantolin 19th June 2021 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Drabant1701 (Post 263666)
The scabbard is velvet on wood.
I etched with ferric cloride first and polished it. Then I did a final etch with hot instant coffe (very, very, VERY strong)for 30 minutes.
I have not gotten that to work on wootz sadly.

On the pictures, I thought the scabbard was made of steel,

like this one, with a ''double blade''
here a decorative kard with hidden blade,
too fancy and a little toy-like but the damas seems to be real


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