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Old 11th March 2017, 08:30 AM   #1
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hi,
In first, sorry my poor english...I own this helmet - I suppose it's german - and I need to identify marks. M on the nasal and :: / :: what's this last marking ? Thank s in advance for your help.


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Old 11th March 2017, 10:56 AM   #2
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Hi Francois,
You must read the forum rules; linking photos from web hosts (hot links) is not the adequate procedure. This time i will save them to a hard disk and upload them back with the forum attachment features; something you will have to do yourself next time.
I will also move this thread to the Europen section, where it is better placed.
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Old 11th March 2017, 11:20 AM   #3
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oh sorry Fernando. Next time, I'll try to respect the rules.
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Old 11th March 2017, 11:49 AM   #4
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That's fine, François .
Let us see what the members have to say about your 'lobster tail' helmet.
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Old 16th March 2017, 01:07 PM   #5
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Hello François,

You have a nice and original lobster tail helmet there , as every part seems to have the 4 dots I think they are simply markings used by the armory to mark parts that were made to fit together for induvidual helmets.

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Old 17th March 2017, 06:12 PM   #6
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Hello François,

You have a nice and original lobster tail helmet there , as every part seems to have the 4 dots I think they are simply markings used by the armory to mark parts that were made to fit together for induvidual helmets.

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That is excellent Ulfberth! I would never have guessed what those dots were for!!! That is amazing using the part marking systems in this way, and to see how armourers tended to assembly of their wares.
Thank you for always adding these observations as it really helps to know what to look for in these items.
While the books can tell us a lot on history and typology etc. they seldom give us these often almost nuanced clues on authentication.
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Old 18th March 2017, 08:05 AM   #7
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Thank's Ulfberth for your answer
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Old 18th March 2017, 01:23 PM   #8
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What Ulfbert said. These helmets were made in large quantities and in order to keep the plates for each one of a set together this sort of matched punching was sometimes used. There was a second punch method used where it was sequential used to keep plates of an assembly ( usually arms or legs ) in their proper order where some of the plates look similar in sequence. I've owned examples of both over the years and used both punch methods when I used to make armour for a living.
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Old 19th March 2017, 09:48 AM   #9
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Thanks for the kind words Jim and Senefelder,
Good and complete lobster tail helmets or zischagge's are very hard to find.
Most of them have replaced cheek peaces or nasal bars, that does not mean that helmets with restored parts are no good, of course they are if the buyer is OK with it.
As for the stamps on the parts as on this example this seem more the exception than a rule, but it sure does ad character and history to this nice helmet.

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