Something for some of you to drool over.

kino · 19th April 2007, 12:32 AM

Wish it were mine.......

RSWORD · 19th April 2007, 02:32 AM

Really nice twistcore!

DaveS · 19th April 2007, 04:39 AM

Bought this sword about six months ago. The pattern is almost exactly that of the Sutton Hoo burial sword. It's interesting that two cultures 1500 years and halfway around the world could come up with identical blade patterning................Dave.

VVV · 19th April 2007, 07:23 AM

I am drooling, thanks for sharing.

Michael

Richard Furrer · 19th April 2007, 02:30 PM

David,
Do you have images of the reverse side?
Nice find there.....you have a good eye.

Ric

mross · 19th April 2007, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveS

Bought this sword about six months ago. The pattern is almost exactly that of the Sutton Hoo burial sword. It's interesting that two cultures 1500 years and halfway around the world could come up with identical blade patterning................Dave.

I almost shorted out my keyboard with drool!!

Dave, that is awesome, you are the Indiana Jones of Moro swords.

Can you give us any more information on it?
Do you have any ideas as two province and/or age?
Did it come from somewhere in the US or elsewhere?

It be intresting to see if these twist cores can be traced to an area or even a smith. Given the difficulty of doing the pattern welding I don't think there where many smiths doing it.

Lew · 19th April 2007, 05:35 PM

It looks like 7-9 bar composite twist. 7 bar twist with two outer bars for the edge. Reminds me of the Turkish ribbon pattern seen on some yataghans

Lew

josh stout · 19th April 2007, 06:54 PM

I see the twists but what are the straight lines? Were the twisted bars intermittently twisted, so there would be say 5-7 twists an untwisted portion and then more twists? I have not seen that before. Very nice.
Josh

Battara · 19th April 2007, 10:31 PM

I love the twist core and the other stuff like the ivory and coin silver. Looks Maranao and I also like the rounding of the holes in the end of the ganga (the ron do).

DaveS · 20th April 2007, 03:43 AM

Mike: I bought this kris from a dealer in Reno, Nevada, who in turn bought it from a dealer in L.A. I'll see the original dealer next month at the militaria show at the L.A. fairgrounds, and i'll try to remember to find out where he got it, although most dealers are sometimes reluctant to give out their sources. This is the only one i have ever seen with this saxon/early viking pattern. I do have two yahtagans with twistcore patterns, one a four layer twist the other with a six layer twist. These twist patterns though are nothing like the interupted twist on this kris. The closest thing i have seen is the Sutton Hoo burial sword and i really was amazed at the similarity. As far as i can tell, they are about 98% exactly the same. As i stated earlier, you have two cultures, the Saxons and the Moros. These two are separated by 1500 years and many thousands of miles and yet they produce almost the same pattern..................Dave

DaveS · 20th April 2007, 03:49 AM

Jose: I think you are definitly right. Maranao. Made sometime in the 1800s, but i'm not sure if early 1800 or more near the turn of the century. No doubt made for someone of high status.............Dave

DaveS · 20th April 2007, 03:52 AM

Ric: The reverse side is the same as the side shown. They are mirror images of each other.............Dave

Battara · 20th April 2007, 03:53 PM

Dave, I would place it at early to mid 1800s on the blade. The silver mounts could be a little later but not sure.

19th April 2007, 12:32 AM	#1
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 972	Something for some of you to drool over. Wish it were mine....... Attached Images

19th April 2007, 04:39 AM	#3
DaveS Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 327	Sutton Hoo Moro Sword Bought this sword about six months ago. The pattern is almost exactly that of the Sutton Hoo burial sword. It's interesting that two cultures 1500 years and halfway around the world could come up with identical blade patterning................Dave.

19th April 2007, 02:30 PM	#5
Richard Furrer Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sturgeon Bay, Wisconsin Posts: 163	very nice piece of work there David, Do you have images of the reverse side? Nice find there.....you have a good eye. Ric

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19th April 2007, 02:32 AM	#2
RSWORD Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 1,083	Really nice twistcore!

19th April 2007, 07:23 AM	#4
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	I am drooling, thanks for sharing. Michael

19th April 2007, 05:35 PM	#7
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	It looks like 7-9 bar composite twist. 7 bar twist with two outer bars for the edge. Reminds me of the Turkish ribbon pattern seen on some yataghans Lew

19th April 2007, 06:54 PM	#8
josh stout Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 407	I see the twists but what are the straight lines? Were the twisted bars intermittently twisted, so there would be say 5-7 twists an untwisted portion and then more twists? I have not seen that before. Very nice. Josh

19th April 2007, 10:31 PM	#9
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,139	I love the twist core and the other stuff like the ivory and coin silver. Looks Maranao and I also like the rounding of the holes in the end of the ganga (the ron do).

20th April 2007, 03:43 AM	#10
DaveS Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 327	Mike: I bought this kris from a dealer in Reno, Nevada, who in turn bought it from a dealer in L.A. I'll see the original dealer next month at the militaria show at the L.A. fairgrounds, and i'll try to remember to find out where he got it, although most dealers are sometimes reluctant to give out their sources. This is the only one i have ever seen with this saxon/early viking pattern. I do have two yahtagans with twistcore patterns, one a four layer twist the other with a six layer twist. These twist patterns though are nothing like the interupted twist on this kris. The closest thing i have seen is the Sutton Hoo burial sword and i really was amazed at the similarity. As far as i can tell, they are about 98% exactly the same. As i stated earlier, you have two cultures, the Saxons and the Moros. These two are separated by 1500 years and many thousands of miles and yet they produce almost the same pattern..................Dave

20th April 2007, 03:49 AM	#11
DaveS Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 327	Jose: I think you are definitly right. Maranao. Made sometime in the 1800s, but i'm not sure if early 1800 or more near the turn of the century. No doubt made for someone of high status.............Dave

20th April 2007, 03:52 AM	#12
DaveS Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 327	Ric: The reverse side is the same as the side shown. They are mirror images of each other.............Dave

20th April 2007, 03:53 PM	#13
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,139	Dave, I would place it at early to mid 1800s on the blade. The silver mounts could be a little later but not sure.