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Old 17th January 2007, 03:46 PM   #1
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Hi,

I recently bought this tombak and when I opened the package I immediatly loved this item.
I know nothing about these tombaks, so you might help me with some questions.
I'd like to know from what age this tombak is approximatly.
I looked at the internet and I find a lot of tombaks but I cannot find a tombak like this one.
I appreciate your help, because I want to know what I have in hands.
Any more knowledge is welcome.

I attached some pictures of the tombak.

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Old 17th January 2007, 04:41 PM   #2
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Maurice

That is a nice old one you have there. The blade seems to have been made for real use unlike some others I have seen that are more ceremonial. A very nice find. Btw I remember reading somewhere that there was a famous Indonesian smith that made keris and spears using more refined steel in order to punch through European armor. Your spear reminds me of that story because it has a steelier look to it than most pamored tombak I have seen reminds me more of a Moro budiak spear.

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Old 17th January 2007, 05:08 PM   #3
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Hi Lew,

That's exactly what I ment to say but I didn't express myself that way.
Indeed it has a steelier look, and the other ones I found on the internet where more pamored.

So it might not be originated from Java?
Now you made me very curious.

Thanks for your reply Lew.



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Old 17th January 2007, 05:10 PM   #4
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Smile Another Smooth Tombak

When etched these blades show their construction quite plainly.
I wouldn't really call this a pamor but maybe it is.
I know that the dress is recent but the tombak itself I have no idea about.
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Old 17th January 2007, 08:58 PM   #5
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Hi Rick,

Your tombak has more colourdifferences as mine.
But the shape is close to my tombak.

Do you perhaps now where your tombak comes from (what area of indonesia)


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Old 17th January 2007, 10:26 PM   #6
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Hi Maurice,

A beautiful tombak. I agree with Lew's opinion on your blade. Your tombak seems to have a diamond cross-section while Rick's is more oval.

Hi Rick,

I like your blade but not the fittings. The blade seems to have some age to it. It looks more of a 'san mai' construction with a faint 'tunggak semi' pamor at the base of the tombak above the metuk. Another beauty.
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Old 17th January 2007, 11:32 PM   #7
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Hi Rick,

Your tombak has more colourdifferences as mine.
But the shape is close to my tombak.

Do you perhaps now where your tombak comes from (what area of indonesia)


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Hi Maurice, Yours might show such color differences too were it etched.

Alam Shah, I agree about the dress; not so great.
I wonder, since these blades are smooth could they be Balinese ?
There is a fairly pronounced central ridge on the blade; it doesn't show too well in the pictures but it is a diamond cross-section and has very sharp hardened edges.
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Old 18th January 2007, 07:38 AM   #8
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Hi guys,

So it looks that I have a moro bodiak spear instead of a java tombak.
I wanted to sell this piece, but I like it so much I think I'll keep it for myself.

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Old 18th January 2007, 07:54 AM   #9
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Hi Maurice, Yours might show such color differences too were it etched.

Alam Shah, I agree about the dress; not so great.
I wonder, since these blades are smooth could they be Balinese ?
There is a fairly pronounced central ridge on the blade; it doesn't show too well in the pictures but it is a diamond cross-section and has very sharp hardened edges.


this is an example of javanese tombak...
have a look....
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Old 18th January 2007, 10:30 AM   #10
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Hi guys,

So it looks that I have a moro bodiak spear instead of a java tombak.
I wanted to sell this piece, but I like it so much I think I'll keep it for myself.

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Moro spears have a rectangular tang yours seems to be round therefore it's Indonesian and not Moro.

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Old 18th January 2007, 11:21 AM   #11
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Does anyone have an example of an non-pamored tombak from java? Or are they always parmored????
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Old 18th January 2007, 02:22 PM   #12
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This is a Moro Budiak .
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Old 18th January 2007, 03:08 PM   #13
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Hi Rick,

That's a very nice one.
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