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16th October 2017, 06:47 PM
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A myth revisited ?
Just in case the link vanishes here are a few stills to complete the thread.
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17th October 2017, 11:42 AM
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Sorry to burst the bubble, but this person makes forgeries for ebay.
 He sells haquebuts poleguns etc as well. The fact that this piece is: -so well preserved after a odd 500 years -only 10 cm in to the earth with "fresh" leaves covering the piece -the fact he knows what this is for an "amateur" -the real Monk's gun is just a curio, not a standard firearm of the time and finding another one in the earth like this is more than curious..... Still a fun display and interesting if it where in "new" condition. |
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17th October 2017, 12:02 PM
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No fun for me; an hoax is always an hoax, no matter the context.
Many people may (are) deceived with this crap. ... Even Alexander, for one, has hesitated. |
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17th October 2017, 12:15 PM
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You are absolutely right Nando. even the best are sometimes decieved we all have that experience
 If you are not sure about an item always ask for clear pictures with daylight to see patina, structure, how it was made etc. Or even better see it in person if it is possible. |
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17th October 2017, 05:16 PM
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I would not call the finder of the object in the film as an amateur archaeologist. It is probably a treasure hunter. Real (amateur) archaeologist will not only look and pull out metal objects, they will also look for other objects connected with the find e.g. for organic remains. For me the find is a hoax.
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17th October 2017, 06:02 PM
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You are right in that this is not a finding; it was the hoaxer who hid the object in there. Just a staging to deceive the unwary. |
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3rd January 2021, 05:12 PM
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Hello together,
my name is Claus and I joined this forum just to dig out this old thread. I'm fascinated by this gun since I first saw it in Dresden about 20 years ago. Now I got the time to built a copy to answer the question about the possibility of using it. My first trials were disappointing - as mentioned in the thread the rasp ignition didn't work. I will improve the rasp next days and try again... So I would like to know if anybody of you got new informations or understanding about this interesting part of gun-history? I have a fear that the Dresden monks gun is an attempt that never was in service due to several other problems as holding the ignition powder in the pan when attached to the belt. I'm curious about your opinions, greetings from south-west Germany, Claus |
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11th January 2021, 03:00 PM
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My conclusion is that the Monks gun was a generic term referring to an early rasp operated ignition system associated by tradition with the monk Berthold Schwartz . Of which the Dresden gun is a late and probably non functional example . Thierbach ( Die geschiliche Entwickelung der Handfeurwaffen - Dresden 1886-7) illustrates two other examples , one a brass cannon lock manually operated in the Zeunghaus , Berlin and a gun lock in Sigmaringen Museum actuated by a spiral spring. If anyone has a copy of this book or knows these examples it would be good to see illustrations.
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