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Old 16th April 2012, 07:19 AM   #1
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Dear members ,
I would like to get your opinions for this keris .
Different possibilities and very confusing .
The blade fit perfectly into the sheath so looks like both originals .
Some say that could be Salayer on South Celebes ( hilt and blade shape without pamor ) , some Malaysian or Sumatran for the sheath half moon and the the inlaid blade other West coast of Borneo for the hilt ...
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Old 16th April 2012, 07:20 AM   #2
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Old 16th April 2012, 07:44 AM   #3
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Hi Henri, interesting ensemble you've got there. The hilt is uniquely Salayar, "Pangulu Le'ngo" (le'nga) form, as it's called by the locals. The interesting keris blade, I cannot confirm. The hilt cup (pendokok, kili-kili) is Sumatran. The sari bulan sheath, may be Sumatran or Peninsular Malay to me. Overall a nice find, congrats!
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Old 16th April 2012, 11:24 AM   #4
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Indeed, a very nice keris. That hilt is quite fascinating!
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Old 16th April 2012, 12:01 PM   #5
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Lovely keris Henri.

The hilt is indeed very salayer.
But how would a salayer blade look like. is there a specific salayer blade style ?

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Old 16th April 2012, 05:24 PM   #6
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Nice grab for sure - congrats, Henri!

IMHO, the blade also seems to have a Straits feel to it. My best guess would be that this is a Sumatran/Straits keris that found its way into the hands of a Salayer/Selayer owner who decided to rehilt it according to local fashion. The pesi is weird though - has anyone disassembled a Selayer badik or two?

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Old 16th April 2012, 07:29 PM   #7
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Hello Henri,

very good grab you have done with this keris! For the hilt you can look as well to this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=badik

Agree with kai that the pesi is a little bit weird. BTW, I never have disassembled my Salayer badik and can't tell if the pesi is similar.

Again, a very interesting keris and I am a little bit green with envy!

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Old 17th April 2012, 06:54 AM   #8
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Agree with kai that the pesi is a little bit weird. BTW, I never have disassembled my Salayer badik and can't tell if the pesi is similar.

Again, a very interesting keris and I am a little bit green with envy!

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I checked my salayer badek.
I am not going to remove the blade from the handel, but as far as I can see the blade appears to remain flattened into the handle.
So a flattened tang/pesi on the badek imho.

I agree on the "green with envy" part
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Old 17th April 2012, 11:30 AM   #9
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Thank you all for your inputs .
Kai is really close to my initial thoughts : a sumatran keris brought back to Salayer and re hilted according local fashion .

Regarding the hilt : cleaning is on the way but I removed the blade from the " juice " to take some photos of the pesi . Surprisingly a piece of metal was welded to the original ( to strengthen or to match the hilt ?) .... with an unsual goldish alloy ???? Never seen such metal used for welding .....

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Old 17th April 2012, 01:56 PM   #10
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Well that is odd. Never seen anything quite like it.
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Old 17th April 2012, 03:11 PM   #11
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I think that the pesi was broken and someone repaired it like this and hard-solder a second piece of iron to the original pesi to aggravate it. Just MHO.

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Old 17th April 2012, 09:23 PM   #12
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Hello Henri,

This repair job to strengthen the remaining pesi explains the slightly offset tang position.

I doubt that this is Indonesian work though - possibly some European attempt at a pesi repair? We could use Alan's insight, I guess!

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Old 17th April 2012, 10:40 PM   #13
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It's amazing how much better the wilah is already looking.
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Old 18th April 2012, 06:13 AM   #14
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The pesi looks strange so you better keep the hilt on.
What fascinated me about it was the four petal flower which I haven't seen before on this kind of hilt. My keris hilt has leaves but the hilts on the badek doesn't.

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Old 18th April 2012, 07:45 AM   #15
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Nice one also Michael . May be mine was the local Florist ' s keris !

Could you please post a photo from the top showing the ganja fully inserted into the sheath ? It seems to be out of the wrangka .

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Old 18th April 2012, 08:56 AM   #16
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Yes, more pics, please, Michael!
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Old 18th April 2012, 09:23 AM   #17
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Nice one also Michael . May be mine was the local Florist ' s keris ! [snip]
Henri
He, he, he

Actually mine is standing out of the scabbard, which is strongly U-shaped as
you can see.

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Wow, I am again green with envy! Very nice keris Michael!

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Old 18th April 2012, 10:22 AM   #19
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There is an interesting discussion about this keris:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=3334
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