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Old 12th October 2011, 08:01 PM   #1
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Hello all. I believe these pistols are Prussian Pattern 1850 Conversion Pistols. Would anyone with more European reference material concur? Thanks for any assistance. Rick.
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Old 12th October 2011, 08:44 PM   #3
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Very nice pair of pistols, Rick.
Some French touch in this model?
Do they belong in your collection?
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Very nice pair of pistols, Rick.
Some French touch in this model?
Do they belong in your collection?

Hi Fernando! No, they are not in my collection - yet. The owner does wish to sell them. I believe my I.D. is correct. I was just looking for confirmation.
I seldom see these offered. Yes, they are in the best condition I've ever seen. I'll keep you posted. Thanks, Rick.
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Hi Rick,

Your ID is correct indeed; the maker Crause in Herzberg signed a lot of these but built civilian guns as well. The overall condition looks nice and worth collecting. I can't see whether the rings are still present on the butt caps.

I attach a scan from Claude Blair: European and American Arms, one of the titles I reommended you.

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Great Michl
... not: Great, Michl .
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Great Michl, i.e. Michl the Great would also be accepted!
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Hi Michael!! I'm waiting to hear about the Cavalry rings on the butt stocks. Meantime, the bores of both pistols appear to be in unfired -still in the white - condition!! Only very slight spots of surface rust and patina. Possibly only test fired originally?
One pistol is marked Herzberg Crause, the other is marked Suhl. The numbers on one is 1852, the other 1879. Yet both are in identical condition. Interesting.
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Hello all. I believe these pistols are Prussian Pattern 1850 Conversion Pistols. Would anyone with more European reference material concur? Thanks for any assistance. Rick.


lovely pair, they are sometimes called 'Potsdam pistols' over here.
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Right, Gene,

Over there!

As these percussion models were built long after the classic Potsdam (or, it was spelt in the 18th c., 'Potzdam') manufactury makes of. ca. 1725-1785, this term is not usually in use 'over here'.

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Right, Gene,

Over there!

As these percussion models were built long after the classic Potsdam (or, it was spelt in the 18th c., 'Potzdam') manufactury makes of. ca. 1725-1785, this term is not usually in use 'over here'.

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lol, thanks Michael.
I should have said they are sometimes generically refered to as.....

You had me wondering if I was just tripping for a moment, but I googled 'potsdam pistol' and lots of pictures of the 1850 Prussian cavalry were in there as well as the 18thc ones....
Phew!

I haven't seen a real one in the flesh in a long time but reproduction ones seem to show up every now and again.

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