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Old 11th June 2011, 06:47 PM   #1
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I'll let the pictures do the talking:
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Old 11th June 2011, 08:26 PM   #2
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Will you restore it ?
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Old 11th June 2011, 08:33 PM   #3
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Will you restore it ?


Hi Rick,

Restore it?
I doubt it TBH, I don't know much about these.

Am I right in thinking it's an old blade in later dress?

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Old 11th June 2011, 08:49 PM   #4
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Hi Gene, sure looks like it to me; Older Maranao(?) blade anyway .

It is missing a asang asang (blade stirrup); the scabbard looks to have some age though possibly not original; how's the blade fit ?

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Old 11th June 2011, 09:29 PM   #5
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Hi Gene, sure looks like it to me; Older Maranao(?) blade anyway .

It is missing a asang asang (blade stirrup); the scabbard looks to have some age though possibly not original; how's the blade fit ?

Rick


Hi Rick,

Hmmm, I have to admit I don't know what that means (Maranao), lol!
I noticed the blade stirrup was missing. You think the scabbard could be good?
It appears to be painted with some kind of black stain that hasn't soaked in.
Would probobly come off?
Should I?
Scabbard seems a good fit.
Any guess as to the date of the blade?

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Old 11th June 2011, 10:04 PM   #6
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Only thing is the hilt - not sure about it. Looks kind of Malaysian.......

BTW - Maranao is a Moro tribe in the Philippines living in northern Mindanao Island.

Also I see that the scabbard may have have had 6 or so small metal bands originally and the wrap on the hilt is a later addition.

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Old 11th June 2011, 10:36 PM   #7
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Only thing is the hilt - not sure about it. Looks kind of Malaysian.......

BTW - Maranao is a Moro tribe in the Philippines living in northern Mindanao Island.

Also I see that the scabbard may have have had 6 or so small metal bands originally and the wrap on the hilt is a later addition.


Ello mate

Thanks, thats very interesting.

The ferrule is pretty ugly too.
Ahh, I see what you mean about the mounts. Would you strip the dark 'stain' off and reveal the wood?
What date would you put on the blade?

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A blade like this, IMO, is 19th I would guess,*only* a guess tho .
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Old 11th June 2011, 10:54 PM   #9
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A blade like this, IMO, is 19th I would guess,*only* a guess tho .


At least its got reasonable age then.
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Old 11th June 2011, 10:56 PM   #10
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Hi Gene,

Indeed a very different pommel..but it looks old though.
I also agree that the windings and the ferrule (is it damar?) are latter.
The scabbard I would leave it in the condition it is now. If you remove the dark stain, you probably will get a very "naked" scabbard....
Very different scabbardtip also....

I like the blade, and it looks old to me.
Can you see if the elephanttrunk has broken off in the past?

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Old 11th June 2011, 11:38 PM   #11
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I agree with Maurice in keeping the dark stain/patina on the scabbard.
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Old 11th June 2011, 11:53 PM   #12
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Thanks guys,
Sorry Maurice I don't know where the elephants trunk is?
The pommel doesn't look to have been broken at any time, is that the elephants head?
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Sorry Maurice I don't know where the elephants trunk is?
The pommel doesn't look to have been broken at any time, is that the elephants head?

I mean here in the yellow circle.
Normally this "trunk" is a bit longer as on yours?
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I mean here in the yellow circle.
Normally this "trunk" is a bit longer as on yours?


LOL, I'd never have guessed!
Doesn't seem any rougher than the rest, but there is certainly wear to the blade so possibly longer once I guess?
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Old 12th June 2011, 02:22 AM   #15
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Yes most likely it curled into the empty space.
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Old 12th June 2011, 03:37 PM   #16
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Hi Gene,

another fine and interesting addition to your collection. Agree with Maurice and Jose to let the scabbard alone. The form of the scabbard remind to some keris sheaths from northern regions of Sumatra. When I am you I would leave it like this. I only would try to etch it to see if there is a lamination.

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Hi Gene,

another fine and interesting addition to your collection. Agree with Maurice and Jose to let the scabbard alone. The form of the scabbard remind to some keris sheaths from northern regions of Sumatra. When I am you I would leave it like this. I only would try to etch it to see if there is a lamination.

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Hi Detlef,

It came with the collection of items, of which many seem to have a direct or possible Sumatran attribution.
However, there was another possible Filipino dagger with a heavy wavy blade.

I'll do as you chaps say and leave the scabbard on this one then. A buff with a soft cloth only perhaps?

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Yes most likely it curled into the empty space.


Ahh, another worn old warrior?
It has that rather ugly 'sandblasted' look to the sirface of the metal that so many Kris seem to get one the contrast is lost. Not sure what to do with it TBH.
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Ahh, another worn old warrior?
It has that rather ugly 'sandblasted' look to the sirface of the metal that so many Kris seem to get one the contrast is lost. Not sure what to do with it TBH.



Hi Gene,

try to etch it, this is not a big effort and will bring out a possible nice lamination.
you can use vinegar from your wifes kitchen, heat the blade and vinegar and use a brush. Normally it will work after a short time.

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Hi Gene,

try to etch it, this is not a big effort and will bring out a possible nice lamination.
you can use vinegar from your wifes kitchen, heat the blade and vinegar and use a brush. Normally it will work after a short time.

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Detlef


Thanks Detlef.

Would that be better than FeCl for these?
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Thanks Detlef.

Would that be better than FeCl for these?


You can use FeCl as well. Vinegar will give a more soft etch what I prefer but this is a personal choice.

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IF you use FeCl mix it with a little distilled water, say 1/2 and 1/2?

Etch the blade and see what comes out.

On the scabbard, the most I would do is place bands of either brass or silver. Otherwise leave the wood alone. On the blade, it should have a clamp on it, maybe silver, as well as etch it.
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IF you use FeCl mix it with a little distilled water, say 1/2 and 1/2?

Etch the blade and see what comes out.

On the scabbard, the most I would do is place bands of either brass or silver. Otherwise leave the wood alone. On the blade, it should have a clamp on it, maybe silver, as well as etch it.


Thanks, I don't suppose you have any pictures of examples of how the scabbard should look, or ideas for remaking the clamp do you?

I can see some areas where it looks like there were originally bands on the scabbard. What do you think these holes were for?
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Atlantia,
I like it.
Thanks for posting photos of this Kris.
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Thanks, I don't suppose you have any pictures of examples of how the scabbard should look, or ideas for remaking the clamp do you?

I can see some areas where it looks like there were originally bands on the scabbard. What do you think these holes were for?

I have made clamps before for people and bands for scabbards........

On the holes - sometimes small rods/plugs kept different parts of the scabbard together.
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