recent ? jade hilted indian dagger

francantolin · 5th February 2021, 02:36 PM

Hello dear members,
I wanted your opinion about this dagger,
I bought it in an auction house but without informations about age and a correct price...
I think there is a date and a signature on the other side of the blade but I can't recognize it.
arabic ? hindi ? fantasy ?...

Is it recent indian made ? Nice hilt but the eyes are basic who make me think of a recent stuff...
( so if we can find the date it's good...

)
Still a niece piece: It's pretty heavy and big: 43cm long

What do you think ?

Kind regards

colin henshaw · 5th February 2021, 02:41 PM

It looks like the blade from a Sudanese arm dagger on a modern Indian hilt

ALEX · 5th February 2021, 02:50 PM

Agree with Colin, modern Indian hilt, crude machine work, the material is Aventurine quartz, but they call every green stone a jade of course

mahratt · 5th February 2021, 04:17 PM

Alex and Colin are certainly right. The hilt of modern work.

francantolin · 5th February 2021, 06:07 PM

Thank you for your comments.

That's certainly why the starting price was hopefully low...
Yes the hilt shows aventurescence on some parts of the hilt,
crazy indeed, it was the principal lot in the double page catalogue describing 20-30 other lots,
with a large picture of the hilt and described as jade hilt and 19th century...

sure I didn't believe it was a mughal period hilt or made of thick jade jadeite hilt but at least something correct...

for the sudanese blade idea, it can be, I found looks like on oriental arms
( not the flat tourist blades, this one is half cm thick and well sharpened )

So it ''must'' be arabic, any idea about the date/signature ??

ALEX · 5th February 2021, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by francantolin

...it was the principal lot in the double page catalogue describing 20-30 other lots, with a large picture of the hilt and described as jade hilt and 19th century...

Deep ignorance, or perhaps intentional, on auction's part. any specialist will see the traces of electric drilling "dremel" machine on the surface, visible with naked eye, even on photos, so they do not even have the basic, not to mention any specialized knowledge

There is no signature on the blade, the date is not in Arabic, it looks like 1990 (?)

5th February 2021, 02:36 PM	#1
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 817	recent ? jade hilted indian dagger Hello dear members, I wanted your opinion about this dagger, I bought it in an auction house but without informations about age and a correct price... I think there is a date and a signature on the other side of the blade but I can't recognize it. arabic ? hindi ? fantasy ?... Is it recent indian made ? Nice hilt but the eyes are basic who make me think of a recent stuff... ( so if we can find the date it's good... ) Still a niece piece: It's pretty heavy and big: 43cm long What do you think ? Kind regards Attached Images

5th February 2021, 02:41 PM	#2
colin henshaw Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,430	It looks like the blade from a Sudanese arm dagger on a modern Indian hilt

5th February 2021, 02:50 PM	#3
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 935	Agree with Colin, modern Indian hilt, crude machine work, the material is Aventurine quartz, but they call every green stone a jade of course

5th February 2021, 04:17 PM	#4
mahratt Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 1,042	Alex and Colin are certainly right. The hilt of modern work.

5th February 2021, 06:07 PM	#5
francantolin Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 817	Thank you for your comments. That's certainly why the starting price was hopefully low... Yes the hilt shows aventurescence on some parts of the hilt, crazy indeed, it was the principal lot in the double page catalogue describing 20-30 other lots, with a large picture of the hilt and described as jade hilt and 19th century... sure I didn't believe it was a mughal period hilt or made of thick jade jadeite hilt but at least something correct... for the sudanese blade idea, it can be, I found looks like on oriental arms ( not the flat tourist blades, this one is half cm thick and well sharpened ) So it ''must'' be arabic, any idea about the date/signature ??