An Extremely Rare 16th-17th C. Wood-Cased Grape Shot

Matchlock · 27th February 2012, 04:32 PM

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cannonmn · 27th February 2012, 05:54 PM

Michael, thanks again, excellent information, very rare stuff, never have seen it before.

Our Graybeard member "Steelcharge" who found this stuff has one request I am conveying from the other forum:

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I'm not registered on the VS forum, so could you ask if the poster of those pictures could post the link to the lower "quilted grapeshot" in the reply number 16 (or no. xx?)

The info on that same post was for a 12pdr canister and the grapeshot is clearly smaller, probably for 1pdr. The grapeshot above it is also a really small one, for about 1.2" (quarter pounder?) gun, museum info says it's for "muskedunder" which would be a musket-type swivel gun.

Edit: If you are interested in saving some of those pictures on the Museum site, you can download quite high resolution pictures by clicking "Ladda ner bild" under the image.

Matchlock · 28th February 2012, 11:25 AM

John,

It would make identification a lot easier for me if you (or 'Steelcharge') could post the screenshots in question with the museum's inv.nos.

All I did when searching the Armémuseum site was enter the fist link you posted,

http://www.digitaltmuseum.se/things/...count=16&pos=5

and then click my way forward and backward thru the rest there.

Best,
m

Matchlock · 28th February 2012, 11:35 AM

From the Cod. Pal. germ. 128, by Franz Helm: Buch von den probierten Künsten (Book on Tested Arts), 1535, preserved in the Universtity Library of Heidelberg.

Enjoy.

Best,
Michael

Matchlock · 25th April 2012, 02:59 PM

Please see also

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ght=grape+shot

Here are samples of quilted grape, dated to the 16th-17th c. although it sems that they were identically made for centuries.

The first was sold Bonhams, London, 29 July 2004, at 2,400 GBP including buyer's premium. Its provenance was given as the Princely Collections of Liechtenstein.

The second I photographed in the reserve collection at the Focke-Museum Bremen.

At bottom, a scan from Johann F. (Janos) Szendrei's extremely rare book Ungarische kriegsgeschichtliche Denkmäler, Budapest, 1896, p. 379, is attached.
Szendrei describes the illustrated piece of Traubenhagel as 16th c., measuring 19.5 x 5.5 cm overall and weighing 1,100 grams. A central wooden bar of 14 cm height rises from a wooden cylinder, 5 cm high; around this bar iron balls of a caliber of 15 mm are bound in a linen bag.

Best,
Michael

Matchlock · 27th April 2012, 08:50 PM

Relics of a very similarly constructed piece of canister grape shot of 1812:

http://images.ourontario.ca/niagaraf...ums/71962/data

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27th February 2012, 04:32 PM	#1
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	m Attached Images

28th February 2012, 11:35 AM	#4
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Devilish Devices of 1535 From the Cod. Pal. germ. 128, by Franz Helm: Buch von den probierten Künsten (Book on Tested Arts), 1535, preserved in the Universtity Library of Heidelberg. Enjoy. Best, Michael Attached Images

25th April 2012, 02:59 PM	#5
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Please see also http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ght=grape+shot Here are samples of quilted grape, dated to the 16th-17th c. although it sems that they were identically made for centuries. The first was sold Bonhams, London, 29 July 2004, at 2,400 GBP including buyer's premium. Its provenance was given as the Princely Collections of Liechtenstein. The second I photographed in the reserve collection at the Focke-Museum Bremen. At bottom, a scan from Johann F. (Janos) Szendrei's extremely rare book Ungarische kriegsgeschichtliche Denkmäler, Budapest, 1896, p. 379, is attached. Szendrei describes the illustrated piece of Traubenhagel as 16th c., measuring 19.5 x 5.5 cm overall and weighing 1,100 grams. A central wooden bar of 14 cm height rises from a wooden cylinder, 5 cm high; around this bar iron balls of a caliber of 15 mm are bound in a linen bag. Best, Michael Attached Images Last edited by Matchlock; 25th April 2012 at 09:47 PM.

27th April 2012, 08:50 PM	#6
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Relics of a very similarly constructed piece of canister grape shot of 1812: http://images.ourontario.ca/niagaraf...ums/71962/data m Attached Images

28th February 2012, 11:25 AM	#3
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	John, It would make identification a lot easier for me if you (or 'Steelcharge') could post the screenshots in question with the museum's inv.nos. All I did when searching the Armémuseum site was enter the fist link you posted, http://www.digitaltmuseum.se/things/...count=16&pos=5 and then click my way forward and backward thru the rest there. Best, m