World War2/Japansse Officer swords

donsamadhi · 20th October 2016, 11:32 PM

I possess two items of officer weapons from the period of Japanesse attack on Pearl Harbour. First of all, I would like to ask you to help me with recognising whether the sword and sabre are authentic because I`m not sure for 100%.I`m not sure as well what is the meaning of those signs which are on particular parts of the weapons.The first item is an officer sabre with the inscription from the Emperor for Yama Oka Neigi (?) , "the Leader of Sasaki ,with the wishes of good luck (?)".I don`t understand ..Is it connected with squadrons of kamikaze or more with submarines which took part in an attack in 1941? The second one is a sword Wakizashi, it also was a kind of a prize from the Emperor. There is an inscription on the sheath and blade which points to that: "With the wishes of good luck from the Emperor for Kotaro Sato..(?)".
It is really an interesting story, as I know they came to Poland from Hawaii. I think they are rather authentic and for sure they have got some historical value for that period of the Second War World. I`m the owner of these items, I`ve bought them from my friend who bought ones 17 years ago from an American man.
Once again I`m asking you for help to recognise those inscriptions and to confirm that they aren`t any fakes.
Thank you very much.

Best regards.

Battara · 21st October 2016, 09:16 PM

I'm afraid that these look to me like Chinese made pieces.

The sun on the flags makes me think they are Nationalist Chinese if they are genuine.

Rich · 21st October 2016, 10:12 PM

Definitely not Japanese.

Rich

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Pieje · 21st October 2016, 11:18 PM

I agree, these look very much like Chinese copies/fakes..
Also, it would be strange to have an identical (serial)number on both blades..

kahnjar1 · 22nd October 2016, 12:04 AM

A point of history here, relating to your opening comments. The Kamakazi were not in operation until late in WW2...certainly not at Pearl Harbour.
As to the authenticity of the swords I leave that to much more informed collectors in this field.
Stu

asomotif · 22nd October 2016, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Pieje

Also, it would be strange to have an identical (serial)number on both blades..

Henk · 22nd October 2016, 02:50 PM

Definitely chinese fakes. I've seen them here in auction houses regularly.

20th October 2016, 11:32 PM	#1
donsamadhi Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 24	World War2/Japansse Officer swords I possess two items of officer weapons from the period of Japanesse attack on Pearl Harbour. First of all, I would like to ask you to help me with recognising whether the sword and sabre are authentic because I`m not sure for 100%.I`m not sure as well what is the meaning of those signs which are on particular parts of the weapons.The first item is an officer sabre with the inscription from the Emperor for Yama Oka Neigi (?) , "the Leader of Sasaki ,with the wishes of good luck (?)".I don`t understand ..Is it connected with squadrons of kamikaze or more with submarines which took part in an attack in 1941? The second one is a sword Wakizashi, it also was a kind of a prize from the Emperor. There is an inscription on the sheath and blade which points to that: "With the wishes of good luck from the Emperor for Kotaro Sato..(?)". It is really an interesting story, as I know they came to Poland from Hawaii. I think they are rather authentic and for sure they have got some historical value for that period of the Second War World. I`m the owner of these items, I`ve bought them from my friend who bought ones 17 years ago from an American man. Once again I`m asking you for help to recognise those inscriptions and to confirm that they aren`t any fakes. Thank you very much. Best regards. Attached Images

21st October 2016, 09:16 PM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,139	I'm afraid that these look to me like Chinese made pieces. The sun on the flags makes me think they are Nationalist Chinese if they are genuine.

21st October 2016, 10:12 PM	#3
Rich Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: comfortably at home, USA Posts: 432	Definitely not Japanese. Rich The Japanese Sword Index http://www.japaneseswordindex.com/nihonto.htm

21st October 2016, 11:18 PM	#4
Pieje Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Belgium Posts: 132	I agree, these look very much like Chinese copies/fakes.. Also, it would be strange to have an identical (serial)number on both blades..

22nd October 2016, 12:04 AM	#5
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,729	A point of history here, relating to your opening comments. The Kamakazi were not in operation until late in WW2...certainly not at Pearl Harbour. As to the authenticity of the swords I leave that to much more informed collectors in this field. Stu

22nd October 2016, 02:50 PM	#7
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Definitely chinese fakes. I've seen them here in auction houses regularly.