interesting Katar for comment

Lew · 26th October 2012, 06:08 PM

Just won this interesting katar with a stylish hilt. Blade is either wootz or pattern welded steel.

Shimmerxxx · 26th October 2012, 06:24 PM

That is unusual, I would have thought the wielder's grip would be prone to slipping since there's just one crossbar.

I look forward to seeing some more detailed photos when it arrives!

Jim McDougall · 26th October 2012, 06:53 PM

Nice example. Isnt that hilt style called by a specific term?

Battara · 26th October 2012, 07:25 PM

Yes I saw this on eprey. When you get it in hand would you post close ups please?

Lew · 26th October 2012, 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

Nice example. Isnt that hilt style called by a specific term?

Jim

I have no idea what it's called? Maybe Jens can give us a clue?

ariel · 26th October 2012, 11:41 PM

Garsoe Jamadhar? Sindh?

Jim McDougall · 27th October 2012, 12:26 AM

I was being lazy

so I went to the books.........as Ariel notes these shaped bar hilt katars are known as 'garsoe jamadhar' (Pant, 1980, #415,416). Pant insists that the term jamadhar is the correct term for 'katar' and that Egerton transposed the term.
Apparantly these are from regions in Bhuj, Gujerat and Sind. Seems unusual to see wootz on these to me at least, but as noted Jens will know far more as these have been his field of study for many years.

I just wanted to add a little perspective to this nice example beyond the katar classification. I wonder what the meaning of the garsoe term might be, hopefully some input on that will be entered.

Lew · 27th October 2012, 02:53 AM

Here is a close up I think I can make out some type of wootz or pattern welded lamination? Oops the photo is low res I will try to update it tomorrow.

Jens Nordlunde · 27th October 2012, 02:08 PM

Hi Lew,
It's an interesting katar/jamdahar you got.
Ariel and Jim are of course right both when it comes to the name and the place of origin.
If the blade is of wootz, it would not surprise me if the rest of the katar is as well. Nice find congratulations

.
Jens

Lew · 28th October 2012, 03:12 AM

Thanks guys

It will arrive in two to three weeks. Will post more pics after I etch it

.

26th October 2012, 06:08 PM	#1
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	interesting Katar for comment Just won this interesting katar with a stylish hilt. Blade is either wootz or pattern welded steel. Attached Images

27th October 2012, 02:53 AM	#8
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Here is a close up I think I can make out some type of wootz or pattern welded lamination? Oops the photo is low res I will try to update it tomorrow. Attached Images

26th October 2012, 06:24 PM	#2
Shimmerxxx Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Wickford, UK Posts: 54	That is unusual, I would have thought the wielder's grip would be prone to slipping since there's just one crossbar. I look forward to seeing some more detailed photos when it arrives!

26th October 2012, 06:53 PM	#3
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,767	Nice example. Isnt that hilt style called by a specific term?

26th October 2012, 07:25 PM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,139	Yes I saw this on eprey. When you get it in hand would you post close ups please?

26th October 2012, 11:41 PM	#6
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Garsoe Jamadhar? Sindh?

27th October 2012, 12:26 AM	#7
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,767	I was being lazy so I went to the books.........as Ariel notes these shaped bar hilt katars are known as 'garsoe jamadhar' (Pant, 1980, #415,416). Pant insists that the term jamadhar is the correct term for 'katar' and that Egerton transposed the term. Apparantly these are from regions in Bhuj, Gujerat and Sind. Seems unusual to see wootz on these to me at least, but as noted Jens will know far more as these have been his field of study for many years. I just wanted to add a little perspective to this nice example beyond the katar classification. I wonder what the meaning of the garsoe term might be, hopefully some input on that will be entered.

27th October 2012, 02:08 PM	#9
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,713	Hi Lew, It's an interesting katar/jamdahar you got. Ariel and Jim are of course right both when it comes to the name and the place of origin. If the blade is of wootz, it would not surprise me if the rest of the katar is as well. Nice find congratulations . Jens

28th October 2012, 03:12 AM	#10
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Thanks guys It will arrive in two to three weeks. Will post more pics after I etch it .