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Old 2nd April 2012, 03:15 AM   #1
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Now, with better details, I can only join the Ottoman/ Balkan voters.

As to 1581.... No way ! That would put it next in line to Met/Topkapi yataghans :-)

Perhaps its just a number, not a date. 1000 goats taken. :-) Who knows.
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Old 5th August 2022, 12:15 AM   #2
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interesting "discussion"even 11 years ago

I think Balkan and looking at the scabbard and hilt might even be narrowed down to southern parts of the former Yugoslavia
I have got a knife / small bichaq with the same grip / hilt : white bone and same circular decoration.
The decoration on the blade looks most interesting: I only have seen similar on small hunting pen or clasp knives

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Old 6th August 2022, 08:19 PM   #3
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enclosed the pictures of the bichaq from Croatia and 2 from Bosnia with similar decoration, so you can compare.
when I look at the grip / hilt of what the owner calls "sword", I would not call it a yataghan, but looks more like the long bichaqs of 40 cm

as for the grip/handle / hilt: the types for the bichaqs were derived from the several types yataghans in the Ottoman empire and found on the Balkans; from Makedonia, Bulgaria, parts of what is now known as Greece ( as the Greek world was way bigger than the present state!) through Albania, Serbia, Bosnia, Dalmatia and parts of Croatia...numbers 14 and 18 come close to the above "sword"

I would recommend cleaning the metal of the knife and scabbard either with some colorless olive oil and the leather as well or with some other leather prerserving material ( like for ancient saddle and saddle bags) to stop further deterioration and restore it a little to its former beauty
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Old 7th August 2022, 04:36 PM   #4
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GP, I really like that diagram of handle patterns! I am sure you have given this source material before, but which book did it come from? In what language is it written? Does it have profile views of the handles also?

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Old 8th August 2022, 07:43 PM   #5
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GP, I really like that diagram of handle patterns! I am sure you have given this source material before, but which book did it come from? In what language is it written? Does it have profile views of the handles also?

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yes I did, sadly no profile views. It comes from an Austrian Habsburg K.u.K. book in German "Wissenschaftliche Mittheilungen aus Bosnien und der Hercegovina"
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