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Old 16th December 2007, 05:43 PM   #1
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Default STRANGE HANDLE S MORO KRIS

Rare type off handle s
anyone see these before ????



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Old 16th December 2007, 06:28 PM   #2
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Yes,

But only on pictures from the previous owner of those unique Kris ("WV" if I remember correctly).

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Old 16th December 2007, 07:51 PM   #3
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Hi Michael this is the one that you remember as the full brass handle ?

Yes these are from his collection .

The one below the top Looks like it is Rhino .


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Old 16th December 2007, 08:14 PM   #4
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Hi Ben,

Yes that was the one I had in my head.
I suspect that it might be around Brunei-area as the handle somehow resembles the Pedang, that also has full brass handle. [Pedang is the swords that looks like the Batak Piso Podang but were also produced (mostly in Brunei), and used, on Borneo...].

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Old 16th December 2007, 08:56 PM   #5
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Hello Ben,

Thanks for sharing! Could you post some more close-ups of these pieces, please?

Can you find any indications that the construction of the full brass hilt allows the use of asang-asang (those "clamps" at the base of the blade)? If not, this wouldn't point to a Moro ensemble AFAIK (could be a trade blade though).

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Old 17th December 2007, 04:23 PM   #6
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Hi Kai no clamps but it is an moro keris blade



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Old 1st January 2008, 09:09 PM   #7
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Hello Ben,

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no clamps but it is an moro keris blade

I'm not sure what you mean: I see that all these are what would be referred to as Keris Sundang in Indonesia (regardless if locally produced or traded from what is now part of the Philippines) and commonly referred as Kris by many members of this forum.

What I was getting at is that the piece with brass hilt doesn't look like a kris like it would be expected to be worn by one of the Moro ethnic groups from the Philippines AFAIK. On the other hand, Keris Sundang are not rarely seen without Asang-asang in Indonesia. Michael's interesting suggestion for a Brunei origin is nicely linking brass hilt workmanship, too.

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Old 2nd January 2008, 07:05 PM   #8
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I agree with Kai in that this is not the usual brass work hilt. Not even the Lumad peoples do this type of brass work for their hilts that they put on kris blades. Brunei, huh? Did not know that they used Sundang, do they?
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Hi Battara the even might make handle s for parang nabur and some mandau s have brass Handlles .



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