Pesh Kabz or ?? Tks for help

Dom · 31st July 2010, 04:26 PM

Good day Gentlemen
sorry if I'm almost absent, but countries visited aren't too much offering internet connections facilities ...

in Isfahan (Iran) I got this knife, but difficulty to identifiy it
your precious help is required, thanks per anticipation

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Dom

fernando · 31st July 2010, 05:52 PM

A very nice looking item Dom,
Nice steel, nice marks.
Not a pesh kabz, i would say.
With that peculiar blade point ... would it actualy be a weapon ?

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Certainly the experts will ID this piece.
I will hopefuly expect so.
Fernando

Lew · 31st July 2010, 08:15 PM

It looks Afghan to me but I have a big problem with tip it is totally non functional and it even looks like it was pinned on? The steel looks acid etch to me also.

Atlantia · 31st July 2010, 08:44 PM

I like it a lot.
It almost looks to me like a european piece that has been altered to have the 'ring splitter' added, making it more like a similarly 'armed' persian kard.
I also agree with Lew that my first impression of the patterning was 'added'.
Also, is that a 'frog button' on the scabbard?

Henk · 31st July 2010, 09:34 PM

Although it is not my field at all, i like this one very much. Don't know how this kind of dagger is called but the tip is certainly for piercing armor.

http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=2942

Found this one on oriental arms. As far as I know they don't have problems with placing the link here.

Nice find.

fernando · 31st July 2010, 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henk

... but the tip is certainly for piercing armor. ...

Nah. not the same thing

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Dom · 23rd February 2012, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lew

It looks Afghan to me but I have a big problem with tip it is totally non functional and it even looks like it was pinned on? The steel looks acid etch to me also.

Hi Lew
to clarify for you, "the tip totally non functional" as you point of view
if the tip who chocked you, has been added on my "Pesh Kabz"
I found a "Wootz Kard" probably Circa 1800 with that type of tip, to pierce mailcoat ...
tip not added, the blade was forged like that (beautiful wootz)

ps/pictures issued from "Akaal Arms" catalog

Best Regards

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Dom

ALEX · 23rd February 2012, 12:17 PM

Lew wins

These tips are different structurally, one on Persian Kard is meant for reinforcement/piercing, the other has a decorative purpose and was not meant to pierce anything hard/metal. Dom, please do not try, it'll snap below the tip:-)

Lew · 23rd February 2012, 12:30 PM

Hi Dom

You are correct the example shown at the bottom was forged as an integral part of the tip with the proper taper and and shape which is like a flattened triangle.

The one you have seems round and eckhorned shaped with a rivet through it. This could have been a later repair.

31st July 2010, 04:26 PM	#1
Dom Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Paris (FR*) Cairo (EG) Posts: 1,142	Pesh Kabz or ?? Tks for help Good day Gentlemen sorry if I'm almost absent, but countries visited aren't too much offering internet connections facilities ... in Isfahan (Iran) I got this knife, but difficulty to identifiy it your precious help is required, thanks per anticipation à + Dom Attached Images

31st July 2010, 05:52 PM	#2
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,638	A very nice looking item Dom, Nice steel, nice marks. Not a pesh kabz, i would say. With that peculiar blade point ... would it actualy be a weapon ? . Certainly the experts will ID this piece. I will hopefuly expect so. Fernando

31st July 2010, 08:15 PM	#3
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	It looks Afghan to me but I have a big problem with tip it is totally non functional and it even looks like it was pinned on? The steel looks acid etch to me also.

31st July 2010, 08:44 PM	#4
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	I like it a lot. It almost looks to me like a european piece that has been altered to have the 'ring splitter' added, making it more like a similarly 'armed' persian kard. I also agree with Lew that my first impression of the patterning was 'added'. Also, is that a 'frog button' on the scabbard?

31st July 2010, 09:34 PM	#5
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	Although it is not my field at all, i like this one very much. Don't know how this kind of dagger is called but the tip is certainly for piercing armor. http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=2942 Found this one on oriental arms. As far as I know they don't have problems with placing the link here. Nice find.

23rd February 2012, 12:17 PM	#8
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 935	Lew wins These tips are different structurally, one on Persian Kard is meant for reinforcement/piercing, the other has a decorative purpose and was not meant to pierce anything hard/metal. Dom, please do not try, it'll snap below the tip:-)

23rd February 2012, 12:30 PM	#9
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Hi Dom You are correct the example shown at the bottom was forged as an integral part of the tip with the proper taper and and shape which is like a flattened triangle. The one you have seems round and eckhorned shaped with a rivet through it. This could have been a later repair.