Is this actually a Kindjal ?

fernando · 10th November 2007, 08:22 PM

I am not sure if this is an actual Kindjal

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To my limited knowledge, some usual characteristics are missing, though the general idea seems to be there.
The blade, not offset, is only 23 cms (9") long. The small grip looks horn, with some incisions. The buttons are iron.
Could it be this is a boy's piece ?
The gold inlay ( koftgari ?) in both sides is all practilally there.
The scabbard could be a replacement. I say this because i have never seen a kindjal with this type of scabbard, but i can see it is an old work, probably from the period. It is made of wood, covered with textile fabric and gold threaded yarn. The mouth in moulded brass tin, looks not so perfect. The tip is solid brass.
The whole set looks quite aged to me ... i wonder if XIX century or earlier.
Coments would be so much apreciated.
Thanks a lot in advance.
Fernando

rand · 10th November 2007, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fernando

I am not sure if this is an actual Kindjal

.
To my limited knowledge, some usual characteristics are missing, though the general idea seems to be there.
The blade, not offset, is only 23 cms (9") long. The small grip looks horn, with some incisions. The buttons are iron.
Could it be this is a boy's piece ?
The gold inlay ( koftgari ?) in both sides is all practilally there.
The scabbard could be a replacement. I say this because i have never seen a kindjal with this type of scabbard, but i can see it is an old work, probably from the period. It is made of wood, covered with textile fabric and gold threaded yarn. The mouth in moulded brass tin, looks not so perfect. The tip is solid brass.
The whole set looks quite aged to me ... i wonder if XIX century or earlier.
Coments would be so much apreciated.
Thanks a lot in advance.
Fernando

Looks very much like a kindjal to me and the designs looks Georgian. Am guessing this dagger late 19th or early 20th century and the decoration an embellishment later in this daggers use....

rand

ward · 10th November 2007, 11:16 PM

with those rivets amd koftkagari 1920-1930 Northarn Iran

fernando · 11th November 2007, 04:16 PM

Thank you Rand, for your coments.

Thank you Ward.
The way you put it, i take it that you have precise data on this type of specimens. I am completely blind about them, miself. Could you kindly indicate any material you have or i can spot, to follow the track you give ?
Thanks
Fernando

ward · 11th November 2007, 04:45 PM

The style of the koftkagari along with the way the poor cross hatching is indicative of the late dating. regarding rivets I have handeled a number of these identical rivet types and they have also had iranian coins on them. Not a definate identification but seems right

fernando · 11th November 2007, 05:09 PM

Allright Ward, i follow you.
Thanks a lot.

10th November 2007, 08:22 PM	#1
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,641	Is this actually a Kindjal ? I am not sure if this is an actual Kindjal . To my limited knowledge, some usual characteristics are missing, though the general idea seems to be there. The blade, not offset, is only 23 cms (9") long. The small grip looks horn, with some incisions. The buttons are iron. Could it be this is a boy's piece ? The gold inlay ( koftgari ?) in both sides is all practilally there. The scabbard could be a replacement. I say this because i have never seen a kindjal with this type of scabbard, but i can see it is an old work, probably from the period. It is made of wood, covered with textile fabric and gold threaded yarn. The mouth in moulded brass tin, looks not so perfect. The tip is solid brass. The whole set looks quite aged to me ... i wonder if XIX century or earlier. Coments would be so much apreciated. Thanks a lot in advance. Fernando Attached Images

10th November 2007, 11:16 PM	#3
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	with those rivets amd koftkagari 1920-1930 Northarn Iran

11th November 2007, 04:16 PM	#4
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,641	Thank you Rand, for your coments. Thank you Ward. The way you put it, i take it that you have precise data on this type of specimens. I am completely blind about them, miself. Could you kindly indicate any material you have or i can spot, to follow the track you give ? Thanks Fernando

11th November 2007, 04:45 PM	#5
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	The style of the koftkagari along with the way the poor cross hatching is indicative of the late dating. regarding rivets I have handeled a number of these identical rivet types and they have also had iranian coins on them. Not a definate identification but seems right

11th November 2007, 05:09 PM	#6
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,641	Allright Ward, i follow you. Thanks a lot.