plug bayonet ident

VANDERNOTTE · 29th October 2012, 01:50 AM

bonsoir a tous
I have several plug bayonet ,spanich the most of them ,and they are
clearly for hunting
this one can be a military?
best regard
jacques

Jim McDougall · 29th October 2012, 11:43 PM

Jacques, this is an extremely handsome example of plug bayonet and I am inclined toward your Spanish assessment as well. Spain used plug bayonets as hunting weapons as late as the 20th century, though they were typically fashioned in the traditional form and seldom ever used in the bayonet function, worn instead as 'hunting knives'.
This one is far more more decorated than the average hunting types with blade motif resembling officers swords, and the lattice decoration at the forte similar to 17th to 18th century European motifs. Another telling point is the fretted bolster around the bottom of the bulb of the grip, a feature I feel must be quite unusual, except on very well attended examples.

The features of the blade seem to me to favor late 17th into 18th with the symmetric fullers along blade edges, and the block ricasso, which to me seem to be in accord with strengthening for thrust as with many daggers.
In my opinion very likely to be high end plug bayonet for officer or perhaps gentry but still probably for hunting in accord with the fashionable events associated with social protocol. Hunting swords and these kinds of weapons were very much status symbols.

fernando · 30th October 2012, 12:21 PM

Salut Jacques,
A wonderful bayonet you got there.
As Jim says, with an European touch in it. Also the bulb ferrule has the typical Germanic style.

Lyubo_sr · 30th October 2012, 08:43 PM

Hi, Jacques.
I believe this one is hunting. Take a look at No.3.

fernando · 31st October 2012, 03:01 PM

Welcome to the forum, Lyubo sr

Well, the majority of plug bayonets out there must be seen as belonging to the hunting scene.
After all, military bayonets only ran for a 'short' period (1650-1720), comparing to hunting ones (1550/1580 up to the 20th century, in the case of Spain).

Lyubo_sr · 31st October 2012, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fernando

Welcome to the forum, Lyubo sr

Well, the majority of plug bayonets out there must be seen as belonging to the hunting scene.
After all, military bayonets only ran for a 'short' period (1650-1720), comparing to hunting ones (1550/1580 up to the 20th century, in the case of Spain).

Thank you for the welcome, Fernando, and for the useful information that you gave about the bayonets.
Since a lot of time I keep an eye on the forum, and finally I decide to post in a topic where I could try to help. I learn a lot and hope to learn more.
Greetings from Bulgaria.
Lyubo

VANDERNOTTE · 31st October 2012, 11:13 PM

buenas noches a todos
thank all of you for your interest and your comments
I please to chare pic of two spanich plugs whis the forum
I hope you like it
regard
jacques

fernando · 1st November 2012, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lyubo_sr

Thank you for the welcome, Fernando, and for the useful information that you gave about the bayonets.
Since a lot of time I keep an eye on the forum, and finally I decide to post in a topic where I could try to help. I learn a lot and hope to learn more.
Greetings from Bulgaria.
Lyubo

Ah ... Bulgaria !
I have been there for two days in work, back in 2002, crossing the Danube from Romenia. Spent the night in Габрово and Плевен.

29th October 2012, 01:50 AM	#1
VANDERNOTTE Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 60	plug bayonet ident bonsoir a tous I have several plug bayonet ,spanich the most of them ,and they are clearly for hunting this one can be a military? best regard jacques Attached Images

30th October 2012, 08:43 PM	#4
Lyubo_sr Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Bulgaria Posts: 4	Hi, Jacques. I believe this one is hunting. Take a look at No.3. Attached Images

31st October 2012, 11:13 PM	#7
VANDERNOTTE Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 60	2 more plug bay buenas noches a todos thank all of you for your interest and your comments I please to chare pic of two spanich plugs whis the forum I hope you like it regard jacques Attached Images

29th October 2012, 11:43 PM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,738	Jacques, this is an extremely handsome example of plug bayonet and I am inclined toward your Spanish assessment as well. Spain used plug bayonets as hunting weapons as late as the 20th century, though they were typically fashioned in the traditional form and seldom ever used in the bayonet function, worn instead as 'hunting knives'. This one is far more more decorated than the average hunting types with blade motif resembling officers swords, and the lattice decoration at the forte similar to 17th to 18th century European motifs. Another telling point is the fretted bolster around the bottom of the bulb of the grip, a feature I feel must be quite unusual, except on very well attended examples. The features of the blade seem to me to favor late 17th into 18th with the symmetric fullers along blade edges, and the block ricasso, which to me seem to be in accord with strengthening for thrust as with many daggers. In my opinion very likely to be high end plug bayonet for officer or perhaps gentry but still probably for hunting in accord with the fashionable events associated with social protocol. Hunting swords and these kinds of weapons were very much status symbols.

30th October 2012, 12:21 PM	#3
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,638	Salut Jacques, A wonderful bayonet you got there. As Jim says, with an European touch in it. Also the bulb ferrule has the typical Germanic style.

31st October 2012, 03:01 PM	#5
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,638	Welcome to the forum, Lyubo sr Well, the majority of plug bayonets out there must be seen as belonging to the hunting scene. After all, military bayonets only ran for a 'short' period (1650-1720), comparing to hunting ones (1550/1580 up to the 20th century, in the case of Spain).