The Purpose of Keris Panjang - Page 2

Pendita65 · 10th March 2024, 10:17 PM

The Fountain of Knowledge has spoken, and yes a good choclate cake hmm could do with a slice now.

Regards, Martin

milandro · 10th March 2024, 10:53 PM

indeed, as I suspected, there was a reason set in the forging methods.

Again then the question arises on the weapon being made to be actually used as a weapon ( the fuller make the weapon lighter and the consequent risers make it more robust to hitting other blades) . If the only purpose was to create a decoration item and there is a lot of decoration content (let alone a symbolic one) in a keris with a pamor along such a long blade, why would they have gone through the forging process which is highly suited to create a weapon apt to be used in combat against another blade?

Sajen · 10th March 2024, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Not just logical Detlef, actual as well:-

think of a chocolate cake

nice, thick, rich, moist choccy cake

tastes great

now Grandma slaps thick, high qual Belgium chocolate icing onto it

she adds the thick, freshly whipped cream

then some maraschino cherries

looks fantastic

blows away the diet with one slice

little Teddy sees that cake

Little Teddy loves choccy icing

and cream, and cherries

Little Teddy got no weight problem

he takes a spoon to Grandma's choccy masterpiece and removes all that enhancement

what everybody else is left with is unenhanced chocolate cake

same as keris:- scrape off the pamor, what you got is plain old garden quality steel.

A. G. Maisey · 11th March 2024, 12:14 AM

Milandro, the reason is not really in the forging of the blade, it is in the carving of the blade.

Just about all the features you see in a blade are carved in.

Everybody unfamiliar with the process always thinks in terms of forging, but it is the cold work that gives the keris its features and that uses time.

I have made a few keris using traditional Javanese methods, that means no electric tools, only the traditional tools that were in use until very recently when makers began to use angle grinders, and die grinders so forth.

Working by myself with no striker, I was able to make the forging for a keris blade using pamor wos wutah in about 4 days --- using a striker cuts that time in half --- but to carve the blade, a simple straight blade, tilam upih or similar would take me around 10 to 12 days, something like a sinom robyong would take 14 to 16 days.

10th March 2024, 10:17 PM	#31
Pendita65 Member Join Date: Feb 2023 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 71	The Fountain of Knowledge has spoken, and yes a good choclate cake hmm could do with a slice now. Regards, Martin

10th March 2024, 10:53 PM	#32
milandro Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Location: Netherlands Posts: 419	indeed, as I suspected, there was a reason set in the forging methods. Again then the question arises on the weapon being made to be actually used as a weapon ( the fuller make the weapon lighter and the consequent risers make it more robust to hitting other blades) . If the only purpose was to create a decoration item and there is a lot of decoration content (let alone a symbolic one) in a keris with a pamor along such a long blade, why would they have gone through the forging process which is highly suited to create a weapon apt to be used in combat against another blade?

11th March 2024, 12:14 AM	#34
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,700	Milandro, the reason is not really in the forging of the blade, it is in the carving of the blade. Just about all the features you see in a blade are carved in. Everybody unfamiliar with the process always thinks in terms of forging, but it is the cold work that gives the keris its features and that uses time. I have made a few keris using traditional Javanese methods, that means no electric tools, only the traditional tools that were in use until very recently when makers began to use angle grinders, and die grinders so forth. Working by myself with no striker, I was able to make the forging for a keris blade using pamor wos wutah in about 4 days --- using a striker cuts that time in half --- but to carve the blade, a simple straight blade, tilam upih or similar would take me around 10 to 12 days, something like a sinom robyong would take 14 to 16 days.