Ethnographic Arms & Armour
 

Go Back   Ethnographic Arms & Armour > Discussion Forums > Ethnographic Weapons

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 9th August 2005, 06:15 PM   #1
Lei Shen Dao
Member
 
Lei Shen Dao's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 43
Default Javanese Keris Info

Dear members

I am new to the forum and I would like to get some informations for a keris I own for two years. I'll make another topic for infos about a tombak.

The infos I have for this keris is that is from Tuban, pamor "Pengayoman". It seems to me that the pamor isn't the same in both sizes. But I'm not an expert of cource.

I would be very happy if you could give me some more details (dapur, etc) or some other opinions.

Any help would be fine!

Thank you in advance
Attached Images
      
Lei Shen Dao is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10th August 2005, 02:38 AM   #2
Alam Shah
Member
 
Alam Shah's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Singapore
Posts: 1,248
Default

Hi Lei Shen Dao. Welcome.

The dapur is Tilam Upih
The pamor looks like Wos Wutah. In picture 3 and 4, there seems to be
a 'wayang' figure in a standing position, (side profile). (Or could be my imagination).

The mendak (hilt ring) does not look proper.
"Pengayoman", in Javanese literally means "protection and succor",
if I'm not wrong.

Last edited by Alam Shah; 10th August 2005 at 03:26 AM. Reason: added more info
Alam Shah is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10th August 2005, 09:09 AM   #3
Lei Shen Dao
Member
 
Lei Shen Dao's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 43
Default

dear Alam Shah

Thank you for your answer.

Yes the figure that you mentioned (Tiban Keris maybe?) has been obvious to me too about two weeks now. What exactly "wayang" means?

I have seen some pengayoman keris looks identical to mine. But as you said at least the one side seems to be Wos Wutah.
Pengayoman (photos 3,4) means exactly what you described it to be. That I was told.

The mendak....Oh my God, I know it is awful....

Thanks again for your post Alam.
Lei Shen Dao is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10th August 2005, 10:50 AM   #4
Satria
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 11
Default

About Dapur and Pamor, I agree with Alam Shah.
In my opinion, that pamor both sides are Wos Wutah. But sorry, I am stiil not find about the figure of wayang on both sides ..

@ thread starter
Wayang is puppet. In Indoenesia especially in Jawa wayang is so famous. The famous one is shadow puppet.I like wyang so much hehehe.
In my life I never heard about kind of pamoor which called " pangayoman ".
I think "pangayoman" is the function of pamor ( magical power ).

Sorry if I make mistake, please another members correct me.
Satria is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10th August 2005, 12:20 PM   #5
Lei Shen Dao
Member
 
Lei Shen Dao's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 43
Default

Thank you very much Satria

Mmmm, I see. So the pamor is was wutah and the power inside is pengayoman maybe. In a Google search I've done some days ago, I found something for Pengayoman in a Keris or Inonesian site but I couldn't read it because of the language. Don't get me wrong about the tuah matter, but I have my reasons.

So, a keris may have the power of the pamor (luck etc, for was wutah) and maybe an extra power for the owner that ordered it (Pengayoman)...

Of cource I can't see resemblances with Jor_El's keris, but I am not an expert.

Satria, it seems like wayang (thanks for the infos about that) in photos 3,4. Near the gandik (I hope I say it correct) and ganja, it seems like a "dervish" with hands above his head and a dress clothes. Of cource could be my imagination, but it is interesting that Alam saw something like that too.

Sorry for the many questions, but keris is a very complicated subject at least to me.

Thank you for your time

Last edited by Lei Shen Dao; 10th August 2005 at 07:28 PM.
Lei Shen Dao is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 01:05 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Posts are regarded as being copyrighted by their authors and the act of posting material is deemed to be a granting of an irrevocable nonexclusive license for display here.