Heavy Java blade

Gavin Nugent · 12th June 2023, 10:03 AM

A heavy Java? Blade with a long thick pesi. 45.5 long overall, 38cms robust blade.

One of the last few to present. Insights welcome.

With thanks

Gav

Gustav · 12th June 2023, 10:49 AM

Interestingly, the end of Pesi has a mark similar to that attributed to the lineage of Magetan, but I am not sure at all if Magetan was the only who did use it.

jagabuwana · 13th June 2023, 03:29 AM

Hi Gavin, may we please see a birds-eye view of the bottom facing surface of the gonjo?

Gavin Nugent · 13th June 2023, 09:59 AM

Hello jagabuwana, I hope these help.

jagabuwana · 16th June 2023, 01:23 AM

Thank you, Gavin.
I thought that this blade gave a Tuban impression, but it seems that the gonjo doesn't tick all the boxes. Namely the tail of the gonjo appears tapers straight (without a waist) into a point, as opposed to being cut off slightly short to create a squared tip.
Still, to my amateur eyes this keris is Tuban-ish.

A. G. Maisey · 16th June 2023, 03:40 AM

With Tuban the sirah cecak is usually accepted as being a bit rounder than this. Yes, I also initially thought Tuban, it looks like Tuban until we get to the gonjo.

I'm currently thinking something from one of the East Jawa classifications, but I have not had time to get into a detailed examination.

Gavin Nugent · 17th June 2023, 03:09 AM

Thank you gentlemen, for your insights and the avenues for learning.

For my understanding, from the 2 images posted below, the first being the keris under discussion, that the feature you sought to see on the gonjo is more like that in the second image?

There is an ever so slight curved waist to the keris is question, not particularly noticeable in the photos.

The second image is from another I will upload when time allows. There are 4-5 of these large blades here, all without dress.

With thanks

Gavin

A. G. Maisey · 18th June 2023, 02:35 AM

I take the sirah cecak as the primary indicator from an above view, secondary indicator from above I look at the overall profile.

From a side view I consider length first.

If we suspect Tuban from a side view, then we definitely look at the sirah cecak first from above.

12th June 2023, 10:03 AM	#1
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Heavy Java blade A heavy Java? Blade with a long thick pesi. 45.5 long overall, 38cms robust blade. One of the last few to present. Insights welcome. With thanks Gav Attached Images

13th June 2023, 09:59 AM	#4
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Hello jagabuwana, I hope these help. Attached Images

17th June 2023, 03:09 AM	#7
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Thank you gentlemen, for your insights and the avenues for learning. For my understanding, from the 2 images posted below, the first being the keris under discussion, that the feature you sought to see on the gonjo is more like that in the second image? There is an ever so slight curved waist to the keris is question, not particularly noticeable in the photos. The second image is from another I will upload when time allows. There are 4-5 of these large blades here, all without dress. With thanks Gavin Attached Images

12th June 2023, 10:49 AM	#2
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,196	Interestingly, the end of Pesi has a mark similar to that attributed to the lineage of Magetan, but I am not sure at all if Magetan was the only who did use it.

13th June 2023, 03:29 AM	#3
jagabuwana Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 276	Hi Gavin, may we please see a birds-eye view of the bottom facing surface of the gonjo?

16th June 2023, 01:23 AM	#5
jagabuwana Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 276	Thank you, Gavin. I thought that this blade gave a Tuban impression, but it seems that the gonjo doesn't tick all the boxes. Namely the tail of the gonjo appears tapers straight (without a waist) into a point, as opposed to being cut off slightly short to create a squared tip. Still, to my amateur eyes this keris is Tuban-ish.

16th June 2023, 03:40 AM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,700	With Tuban the sirah cecak is usually accepted as being a bit rounder than this. Yes, I also initially thought Tuban, it looks like Tuban until we get to the gonjo. I'm currently thinking something from one of the East Jawa classifications, but I have not had time to get into a detailed examination.

18th June 2023, 02:35 AM	#8
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,700	I take the sirah cecak as the primary indicator from an above view, secondary indicator from above I look at the overall profile. From a side view I consider length first. If we suspect Tuban from a side view, then we definitely look at the sirah cecak first from above.