Islamic sword from toledo

kronckew · 7th March 2018, 07:48 PM

Saw this on a toledo made sword from around the mid 19c. appears to be arabic in a cartouche on the grip. can anyone tell what it says? I'm not sure which way is up,

I do not recognise if the writing is actually arabic or the artisan's impression. blade is quite flexible and razor sharp. appears to be real gold inlays.

mariusgmioc · 7th March 2018, 10:36 PM

Can you please show us the whole sword?

Regards,

Marius

Oliver Pinchot · 7th March 2018, 10:59 PM

It's not Arabic

M ELEY · 8th March 2018, 11:38 AM

Siamese? Tibetan? Bhutan?

kronckew · 8th March 2018, 11:50 AM

I think it's mock/ersatz arabic, for decorative purposes by someone illiterate in arabic calligraphy.

kronckew · 8th March 2018, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Can you please show us the whole sword?

Regards,

Marius

Attached

note the reinforced forte/ricasso area.

fernando · 8th March 2018, 12:31 PM

Modern ?

carlos · 8th March 2018, 12:50 PM

The work in handle is typical from Toledo and is known as Damasquinado. I think this piece could be from 1920 more or leas. Is a beatiful sword. The Fábrica de Toledo made some copies of swords from different ages.
I love this sword! If some day you want send me ...😀😀
Carlos

Roland_M · 8th March 2018, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by kronckew

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note the reinforced forte/ricasso area.

What a beautiful sword! These Arabesques are among the best I ever saw!

I tend to date the sword back to the 19th ct..

Roland

mariusgmioc · 8th March 2018, 06:23 PM

Beautiful it is but unfortunately it is just a purely decorative piece not even a reproduction of a hystorical sword... at least none I can recognize.

Battara · 9th March 2018, 12:42 AM

My first thought was an artificially aged copy. Then the blade bending -

fernando · 9th March 2018, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

Beautiful it is but unfortunately it is just a purely decorative piece not even a reproduction of a hystorical sword... at least none I can recognize.

I have been in Toledo (for the second time) the other day. The city is infested with sword (and armour) copies, being offered in hotel lobbies and all kinds of shop windows; Boadbil jinetas face to face with unreal things you see (or not) in fiction movies. On the other hand i wouldn't take it for certain that this piece was made in Spain.

7th March 2018, 07:48 PM	#1
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,150	Islamic sword from toledo Saw this on a toledo made sword from around the mid 19c. appears to be arabic in a cartouche on the grip. can anyone tell what it says? I'm not sure which way is up, I do not recognise if the writing is actually arabic or the artisan's impression. blade is quite flexible and razor sharp. appears to be real gold inlays. Attached Images

7th March 2018, 10:36 PM	#2
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,870	Can you please show us the whole sword? Regards, Marius

7th March 2018, 10:59 PM	#3
Oliver Pinchot Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 456	It's not Arabic

8th March 2018, 11:38 AM	#4
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,066	Siamese? Tibetan? Bhutan?

8th March 2018, 11:50 AM	#5
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,150	I think it's mock/ersatz arabic, for decorative purposes by someone illiterate in arabic calligraphy.

8th March 2018, 12:31 PM	#7
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,638	Modern ?

8th March 2018, 12:50 PM	#8
carlos Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 731	The work in handle is typical from Toledo and is known as Damasquinado. I think this piece could be from 1920 more or leas. Is a beatiful sword. The Fábrica de Toledo made some copies of swords from different ages. I love this sword! If some day you want send me ...😀😀 Carlos

8th March 2018, 06:23 PM	#10
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,870	Beautiful it is but unfortunately it is just a purely decorative piece not even a reproduction of a hystorical sword... at least none I can recognize.

9th March 2018, 12:42 AM	#11
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,139	My first thought was an artificially aged copy. Then the blade bending -