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Old 20th May 2018, 04:02 AM   #1
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Default Landean Pralamba Collection (part of)

Hullo everybody!

Still in the middle of 'house-keeping'.
Thought I'd snap'n'post while they're out.
Just to show/share.
Hope it's of use to somebody.
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1.
Handle: Wood Boeta Njengir Tandjoeng Patani w/ embossed white-metal wewer.
Sheath: Wood Majang Golekan Patani w/ embossed white metal bands/ftgs.

2.
Handle: Wood Boeta Njengir Tandjoeng Patani w/ copper wewer and eyes.
Sheath: Wood Two-tone Majang Golekan Patani.

3.
Handle: Wood Boeta Njengir Tandjoeng Patani.
Sheath: Two-tone wood Majang Golekan Patani.

4.
Handle: Wood Boeta Njengir Noengkoel Tandjoeng Patani.
Sheath: Wood Majang Golekan Patani.

5.
Handle: Wood Boeta Njengir Noengkoel Tandjoeng Patani.
Sheath:Wood Majang Golekan Patani.

6.
Handle: Wood Boeta Njengir Tjawsteung.
Sheath: Wood Majang Golekan Singgora w/ white-metal bands/ftgs.

7.
Handle: Wood Boeta Njengir TjawSteung.
Sheath: Wood one-piece.

8.
Handle: Wood Boeta Noengkoel Tandjoeng Patani.
Sheath: Wood, one-piece.

9.
Handle: White-metal Boeta Njengir Nanggahan Malaka.
Sheath: Wood Djongan w/ white-metal embossed-oversheath.

10.
Handle: White-metal Boeta Njengir Djanggotan.
Sheath: Wood Djongkong w/ silver ftgs.

11.
Handle: Ivory Boeta Njengir w/ white-metal wewer and rings.
Sheath: Wood Djongan w/ white-metal embossed sheath and rings; ivory toe.

12.
Handle: White-metal Boeta Njanggejeng Gilek w/ white-metal wewer.
Sheath: Wood Djongan w/ bronze o/sheath in Widjaja-motif.

13.
Handle: White-metal Kitjaka w/ white-metal wewer.
Sheath: Wood Majang Golekan.

14.
Handle: Wood Kitjaka w/ white-metal wewer.
Sheath: Wood Djongkong.

15.
Handle: Wood Boeta Njengir Tandjoeng Patani (SLEMAN).
Sheath: Wood Djongan w/ soenggingan Barata.

16.
Handle: Wood Boeta Njengir Tandjoeng Patani (SLEMAN).
Sheath: Wood Saridjong w/ soenggingan alas-alasan.

17.
Handle: Wood Boeta Toengkoel w/ white-metal fangs, wewer, nose & golden eyes.
Sheath: Wood Saridjong.

18.
Handle: White-metal Boeta Njengir Tjawsteung.
Sheath: Wood Djongan.

19.
Handle: White-metal Boeta Njengir Tjawsteung.
Sheath: Wood Majang Golekan Singgora w/ white-metal bands/ftgs.

20.
Handle: Wood Boeta Njengir Tjawsteung.
Sheath: Wood Majang Golekan Singgora w/ white-metal bands/ftgs.

21.
Handle: Wood Boeta Toengkoel.
Sheath: Wood Majang Golekan.

22.
Handle: Wood Hoeloe Boeta.
Sheath: Wood Kintjangwidjaja.

23.
Handle: Wood Boeta Njanggejeng w/ white-metal wewer.
Sheath: Wood Djongkong w/ white-metal o/sheath showing Widjaja-motif.

24.
Handle: Horn Boeta Nanggahan .
Sheath: Wood Djongkong w/ embossed white-metal o/sheath.

25.
Handle: Wood Boeta Njanggejeng Gilek w/ bronze wewer.
Sheath: Wood Djongkong w/ white-metal hanger.
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Old 20th May 2018, 06:38 AM   #2
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Pardon my ignorance but what collection is this? From a museum or a personal collection. Just taken by the the Tajong and coteng pieces and hilts.
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Old 20th May 2018, 08:36 AM   #3
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Very nice collection, thanks! It is not my area of collecting but I am a bit surprised by the mixing of tajong style hilts and Javanese scabbards?
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Old 20th May 2018, 01:26 PM   #4
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Very nice collection, thanks! It is not my area of collecting but I am a bit surprised by the mixing of tajong style hilts and Javanese scabbards?
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Well someone like tajong hilts for sure.
I agree with Jean. Seems like a very nice collection (though the blades themselves would tell more), but the tajong hilts mixed with the Javanese sheaths do not make much sense to my eye. Not sure that they make much sense on keris panjang either.
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Old 20th May 2018, 03:12 PM   #5
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Hello Amuk,
The wood species names are unknown to me (majang, djongan, etc), do you know their equivalent in Bahasa Indonesia? And as David said, it would be nice to see the blades also and the detailed pics of the hilts.
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Old 20th May 2018, 08:56 PM   #6
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Pardon my ignorance but what collection is this? From a museum or a personal collection. Just taken by the the Tajong and coteng pieces and hilts.

Hullo Paul,

Just a sub-group of my personal collection.
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Old 20th May 2018, 08:59 PM   #7
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Very nice collection, thanks! It is not my area of collecting but I am a bit surprised by the mixing of tajong style hilts and Javanese scabbards?
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Hullo Jean,

Well, just to remind me that those hilts were made in Sleman, central Java.
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Hello Amuk,
The wood species names are unknown to me (majang, djongan, etc), do you know their equivalent in Bahasa Indonesia? And as David said, it would be nice to see the blades also and the detailed pics of the hilts.
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Hullo again Jean,

They are not wood species, rather the type of sheath, equivalent to the mainstream gayaman, ladrang etc. Apologies for the lack of punctuation.
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Well someone like tajong hilts for sure.
I agree with Jean. Seems like a very nice collection (though the blades themselves would tell more), but the tajong hilts mixed with the Javanese sheaths do not make much sense to my eye. Not sure that they make much sense on keris panjang either.

Hullo David,

I deliberately didn't include the blades as it may detract from the fact that the pieces are grouped according to hilts. So my prime interest in this group is the hilts. The Djawa sheaths are used to remind me that the associated hilts are Djawa.The keris pandjang hilts are original to the kerises (popular until the end of the 19thC.).
I may do the blades at some time in the future, bit by bit. I'm not articulate enough and can only 11-finger type.
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Old 21st May 2018, 03:03 AM   #10
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Thank you for posting these images Amuk, very interesting.

You advise that the names you have used for the scabbards are in a language other than BI or Javanese, that the names you have used are not mainstream names.

May I ask the place and time when the names that you use for the scabbards would be recognised by a person who was keris literate?

Thank you.
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Old 21st May 2018, 03:21 AM   #11
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Just curious. But isn't the spelling Amuk is using Dutch?

"Tjawsteung" = Coteng

"Tandjoeng" = Tajong

I have a relative whose father hails from Bangka Island, under Dutch control in the 30s, has the surname Tjang but the rest of the cousins born in Singapore, under the British, have the surname Chang.

Amuk is not usisg the spelling of Bahasa Indonesia or Malaysia.

Are u from Holland Amuk?
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Paul in 1972 Indonesia changed the spelling of words from the Dutch system to the English system. Javanese and other local language spellings followed suit. So pre-1972 it was Dutch convention, post 1972 it was English convention

As far as names go, some people have stayed with the old Dutch spellings, others have changed to new spelling.

In the list below, the first column is post 1972 usage, the second column is pre-1972 usage

u = oe
c = tj
j = dj
kh = ch
ny = nj
sy = sj
y = j

This only refers to spelling, pronunciation is consistent no matter what spelling is used, and of course, pronunciation must be learnt separately.

BI is the national and public language, everybody uses a local language at home and mostly in the street.

Correction

It has been rather forcefully pointed out to me that in the case of the letter "u" replacing the Dutch usage of "oe", this change dates from 1947.

Apparently the new regime in the new country of Indonesia had such a deep seated hatred of the previous Dutch overlords that one of their first actions was to get rid of this "oe" usage, something that they found extremely offensive, and in addition, out of step with the Modern World.

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Old 21st May 2018, 02:39 PM   #13
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Hullo David,

I deliberately didn't include the blades as it may detract from the fact that the pieces are grouped according to hilts. So my prime interest in this group is the hilts. The Djawa sheaths are used to remind me that the associated hilts are Djawa.The keris pandjang hilts are original to the kerises (popular until the end of the 19thC.).
I may do the blades at some time in the future, bit by bit. I'm not articulate enough and can only 11-finger type.
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So, you are saying that you the hilts on #15,#16 and #17 are all modern creations that you know were carved in Jawa?
The collection is yours and you are free to dress them as you please, of course, but these hilts still look strange and out of place with those sheaths no matter where they were actually carved. Are the blades within the Jawa sheaths also from Jawa?
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