late XIV -Early XVI th century Swiss Degen

Cerjak · 12th February 2017, 05:31 PM

Degens are basically larger versions of the Swiss (Holbein) Dagger, These short swords seem to fulfil the same function as the katzbalgerr : a handy weapon for close quarter fighting.
O.L. 68 cm ; blade L. 52.8 cm; blade width at hilt 3.9 cm.
The examples showed in pictures are from the Reichsstadtmuseum
Any comment on it would be welcome.
Best

Any comment on it would be welcome.
Best

Cerjak · 14th February 2017, 11:34 AM

Detail of construction :There is an iron or copper lamella between the crescent-shaped pommel and crossguard

fernando · 14th February 2017, 11:58 AM

Jean-Luc, you don't have a catalogue COPY OF "WAFFEN IM SCHWEIZERISCHEN LANDSMUSEUM" ?
There you can observe thtee examples of Swiss deggen. All three have little different marks in their blades. I can scan them for you, as i think i also discern a little mark on the the forte of your example.

Cerjak · 14th February 2017, 02:09 PM

Dear Fernando,

I don't have this book and of course it would be nice if you could scan this page.It seems There is a mark in the blade but unfortunately is it indecipherable , the blade could be better cleaned but I would be afraid to do it.
Also the lamella is of copper .
The description for this dagger ( picture) mention the same detail of construction

Best
Jean-Luc

fernando · 14th February 2017, 03:01 PM

Let's see what i can do ...

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Cerjak · 14th February 2017, 03:05 PM

Thank you Fernando !

12th February 2017, 05:31 PM	#1
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,064	late XV -Early XVI th century Swiss Degen Degens are basically larger versions of the Swiss (Holbein) Dagger, These short swords seem to fulfil the same function as the katzbalgerr : a handy weapon for close quarter fighting. O.L. 68 cm ; blade L. 52.8 cm; blade width at hilt 3.9 cm. The examples showed in pictures are from the Reichsstadtmuseum Any comment on it would be welcome. Best Any comment on it would be welcome. Best Attached Images Last edited by Cerjak; 13th February 2017 at 08:48 AM.

14th February 2017, 11:34 AM	#2
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,064	Detail of construction :There is an iron or copper lamella between the crescent-shaped pommel and crossguard Attached Images

14th February 2017, 02:09 PM	#4
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,064	Dear Fernando, I don't have this book and of course it would be nice if you could scan this page.It seems There is a mark in the blade but unfortunately is it indecipherable , the blade could be better cleaned but I would be afraid to do it. Also the lamella is of copper . The description for this dagger ( picture) mention the same detail of construction Best Jean-Luc Attached Images

14th February 2017, 03:01 PM	#5
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,642	Let's see what i can do ... . Attached Images Last edited by fernando; 14th February 2017 at 03:15 PM. Reason: Tuning up

14th February 2017, 11:58 AM	#3
fernando Lead Moderator European Armoury Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,642	Jean-Luc, you don't have a catalogue COPY OF "WAFFEN IM SCHWEIZERISCHEN LANDSMUSEUM" ? There you can observe thtee examples of Swiss deggen. All three have little different marks in their blades. I can scan them for you, as i think i also discern a little mark on the the forte of your example.

14th February 2017, 03:05 PM	#6
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,064	Thank you Fernando !