My gunong collection and some thoughts

kronckew · 18th January 2015, 04:50 PM

minor point: the grip is on upside down. other than that, good job.

Sajen · 18th January 2015, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kronckew

minor point: the grip is on upside down. other than that, good job.

My first thought as well, good observation.

But the blade fit only in this position inside the scabbard. And have a look to the sheathed knife, this is the way they look when inside scabbard.

Maybe Jose can add his thoughts about this.

Regards,
Detlef

Battara · 18th January 2015, 08:48 PM

Not sure why the blade was made "upside down" but this is what is it. The other unusual aspect is the way the scabbard was made. The okir style and the manner of execution do not seem to me to be as "professional" as other examples. I wonder if the artisan was Lumad or part Lumad, even though the motifs are Moro (perhaps Maguindanao).

Sajen · 18th January 2015, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Battara

Not sure why the blade was made "upside down" but this is what is it. The other unusual aspect is the way the scabbard was made. The okir style and the manner of execution do not seem to me to be as "professional" as other examples. I wonder if the artisan was Lumad or part Lumad, even though the motifs are Moro (perhaps Maguindanao).

Thank you Jose. Will take some close ups from the scabbard tomorrow by daylight that the others can see what you mean.

Regards,
Detlef

David · 18th January 2015, 10:58 PM

Sorry, i don't understand what you mean by "upside down" Wayne. Do you mean that the handle bend is facing in the wrong direction. If so, while most seem to bend in a similar way i have seen a few that go the other way. I don't know if this is because of a left-handed use or what.

kronckew · 18th January 2015, 11:36 PM

in the wavy gunong and kris the point faces slighly down away from the center line as does the pommel. in the examples shown on the forum here this is true. on yours it is assembled so when the pommel points down, the point er, points up.

a little photoshopping to illustrate, plus my kris:

Battara · 19th January 2015, 12:03 AM

As I said, either this one is an aberration, or the artisan may not have been Moro.

Sajen · 19th January 2015, 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

The other unusual aspect is the way the scabbard was made. The okir style and the manner of execution do not seem to me to be as "professional" as other examples. I wonder if the artisan was Lumad or part Lumad, even though the motifs are Moro (perhaps Maguindanao).

Here a close up from the okir work at the scabbard.

18th January 2015, 11:36 PM	#6
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,152	in the wavy gunong and kris the point faces slighly down away from the center line as does the pommel. in the examples shown on the forum here this is true. on yours it is assembled so when the pommel points down, the point er, points up. a little photoshopping to illustrate, plus my kris: Attached Images Last edited by kronckew; 19th January 2015 at 12:01 AM.

18th January 2015, 04:50 PM	#1
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,152	minor point: the grip is on upside down. other than that, good job.

18th January 2015, 08:48 PM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,141	Not sure why the blade was made "upside down" but this is what is it. The other unusual aspect is the way the scabbard was made. The okir style and the manner of execution do not seem to me to be as "professional" as other examples. I wonder if the artisan was Lumad or part Lumad, even though the motifs are Moro (perhaps Maguindanao).

18th January 2015, 10:58 PM	#5
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,047	Sorry, i don't understand what you mean by "upside down" Wayne. Do you mean that the handle bend is facing in the wrong direction. If so, while most seem to bend in a similar way i have seen a few that go the other way. I don't know if this is because of a left-handed use or what.

19th January 2015, 12:03 AM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,141	As I said, either this one is an aberration, or the artisan may not have been Moro.