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Old 12th June 2019, 02:56 AM   #1
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Iron Indopersian sheild for comment. Around 18 inches with carved scenes of nobles doing whatever nobles did back then. Im thinking a parade sheild ? I was told it was pre 1900. Any thoughts?

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Old 12th June 2019, 06:29 AM   #2
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Iron Indonesian sheild for comment. Around 18 inches with carved scenes of nobles doing whatever nobles did back then. Im thinking a parade sheild ? I was told it was pre 1900. Any thoughts?

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Could it be Indo-Persian? Similar acid-etched 'revival' shields were/are produced in India. Although it looks like it in design, the motive is not common for Indo-Persian shields, so could be from elsewhere.
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Old 12th June 2019, 12:08 PM   #3
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This one is very easy
Iran Qajar and POST 1900...
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Old 12th June 2019, 01:08 PM   #4
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I found this picture of the sheild from a auction before it was put up for sale again from the website I purchased it from. Are these types still considered indo Persian?

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I found this picture of the sheild from a auction before it was put up for sale again from the website I purchased it from. Are these types still considered indo Persian?

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Hi Ron,

Dealers call them Indo-Persian when they are unable to say if they are Persians or Indians. In fact they are Persians OR Indians. Nevertheless to add to the confusion, since the 16th c. Mughals had Persian artists working for them. Many objects were produced in Northern India with an Iranian/Persian style.
But for your shield there is nothing Indian in it and it has to be Persian.
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Old 12th June 2019, 04:20 PM   #6
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Hi,
Here's a steel Indian one, different style of decoration and chiseled rather than etched, ceremonial and probably Rajput.
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Here's a steel Indian one, different style of decoration and chiseled rather than etched, ceremonial and probably Rajput.
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Excellent example Norman!!
These are indeed ceremonial items or 'parade' pieces, often used in 'durbars' or in such court contexts of gatherings, events etc. The fact that it is chiseled suggests of course probably either earlier 19th c. (possibly earlier) or of an artisan following early styles for a notable figure.
I would say with the sun on the boss, it is Rajput, and representing the Suryanvanshi clan (or of that lineage in sub clan) which is the Rajput clan of descent from Hindu sun god Surya.

With the Indo-Persian term, it seems that was a collective term used in describing many Indian items with the profound presence of Persian influence throughout northern Indian courts (primarily). As Kubur has noted, the presence of Persian artisans as well as melding of styles made in difficult to determine distinctly one from the other so Indo-Persian covered it.

The term Qajar, is often used in antique-speak to lend to antiquity in essence. By classifying an item 'Qajar era or dynasty' it sounds instantly of great antique character, but the dynasty ruled 1781-1925, so 'Qajar' sounds better than c. 1915.
Its like 'Qing' dynasty in Chinese, actually the rule was 1644-1911, so Qing sounds impressive, rather than actual date which might be 1910.
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Thanks all, very interesting comments and very educational. Really appreciate the input : ) That is s fantastic sheild Norman! This is my first sheild, so hopefully It was a a good pick up and not a modern reproduction. Does anyone know when acid etching became a way of creating designs on these sheilds?

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