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Old 6th November 2018, 04:51 PM   #1
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Over several years, I've acquired the following weapons from that region. I know a little about them, but I'd like better, more detailed information--location, era, relevance. Any input appreciated.

This first one I'm told is hippo tooth for the hilt. There was a small rust patch near the tip that I cleaned, etched and darkened.
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Old 6th November 2018, 09:03 PM   #2
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Hello Michael,

welcome to the forum. Your keris is from East Java or Madura, the handle is from bone or more probable from deer antler but for sure not hippo tooth. The metal in the back of the pendok isn't original, I would try to remove it carefully.

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Old 6th November 2018, 09:04 PM   #3
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Hi Michael, welcome.
A picture of the entire blade, point upward would be helpful.

I'm not sure about the material of the handle; I think I see pores at the back in your third picture of it which would lead me to think it may be bone.

If you're going to submit pictures of other keris's please start a separate thread for each one.

Glad to have you here!
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Old 6th November 2018, 11:36 PM   #4
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Here's one of the entire weapon, which I forgot to post.
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Old 6th November 2018, 11:47 PM   #5
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Hi Michael. Welcome to the form. I am pretty much in agreement with what the others have said here. I'd have to see better, sharper close-ups, but the hilt does not look ivory to me and antler or bone is more probably. This style of hilt is known as "donoriko" and they are fairly desirable, though the ivory ones more so. It does seem to be fairly well carved.
As Detlef has stated, this is East Jawa dress (Madura is considered apart of East Jawa). It does appear that someone added a metal hanging tab onto the back of the metal sheath cover (pendok). I can't tell what they used to attach this piece, but if it was some kind of epoxy you may be able to remove it.
I think you keris is at least 19th century. It is not a high end keris so probably did not belong to anyone of much importance. The status of keris begin in the highest levels of the the kraton (palace) where it's relevance and significance to the culture can be at the highest levels, but it trickles down into common society to the everyday Joe. Every man would have a keris in this era of East Jawa. It represented him, his family line and his place in society.
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Thanks for the welcomes and info.

Should I attempt to remove the repousse sleeve and desolder the hanger? I know it's not original, but I am reluctant to apply heat without knowing the alloy.
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Old 7th November 2018, 02:05 AM   #7
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G'day Michael.

I believe the embossed pendok (sleeve) is brass, or possibly mamas.

I believe the hanger has been attached with ordinary soft solder.

I would heat the hanger with a soldering iron and lift the hanger off as it softened. There will be a residue of solder left, maybe heat with a torch and brush it off, pick off the little bits. Shouldn't be too difficult.
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Old 7th November 2018, 02:09 AM   #8
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G'day Michael.

I believe the embossed pendok (sleeve) is brass, or possibly mamas.

I believe the hanger has been attached with ordinary soft solder.

I would heat the hanger with a soldering iron and lift the hanger off as it softened. There will be a residue of solder left, maybe heat with a torch and brush it off, pick off the little bits. Shouldn't be too difficult.


If I can desolder it, removing the residue will be easy. I'll try that this week.

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Old 7th November 2018, 11:55 AM   #9
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A Donoriko with an image of a cockatoo is not that common, usually a profil image of a horse (Kudah) is seen.

The back hanger is not that much of a problem but the bumped ( and sidewise cracks) are! This is a (poor quality) Banyumas pendok I think and the pointing scratches at the front top part tend to imitate those sleeve pendoks from Pesisiran area?

The handle is bone or antler for sure.

What is the the wadidang of the blade showing? A reforging / welding patch?
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The spot is shown herewith. Or is this thick black corrosion?
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The spot is shown herewith. Or is this thick black corrosion?


Can you please clarify terminology as you go? I know little on this particular era.

That spot appears to just be pitting. There are a couple of other spots down the blade.
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Old 7th November 2018, 03:20 PM   #12
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Check this reference from our knowledgeable friend Alan:

http://www.kerisattosanaji.com/kerisglossary.html
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Old 7th November 2018, 03:38 PM   #13
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Thank you.
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Old 8th November 2018, 10:12 PM   #14
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Closeups of the hilt. It may be antler, but there's very little core I can see. I'd be interested in which type it is.

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Old 9th November 2018, 01:02 AM   #15
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From the close-ups it looks more like bone to my eye Michael.
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Old 9th November 2018, 02:17 AM   #16
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From the close-ups it looks more like bone to my eye Michael.


A terminal piece of long bone? That would make sense, since what looks like the core is very small.
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Old 9th November 2018, 08:05 AM   #17
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I agree with David, the pores and the black decayed area at the back are typical of buffalo bone.
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Yes, I agree as well with David.
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Old 9th November 2018, 02:18 PM   #19
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Thanks for all the information on this piece.
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