Real or copy? Judge / Rule Sword

celtan · 7th December 2008, 01:45 AM

What do you think, real McCoy or victorian copy?

Manuel Luis

kisak · 7th December 2008, 02:02 PM

Odd looking pommel. Can't see anything I recognise as a "bad sign" with the blade, but then I have only seen a rare few executioner's swords (as I guess this is). Victorian rehilt perhaps?

katana · 7th December 2008, 06:01 PM

Hi Manuel,
kisek's idea of a rehilt may be right. The patination seems lacking near to the hilt ...perhaps cleaned (because of rust) whilst the blade was removed ???

Regards David

Jim McDougall · 7th December 2008, 06:51 PM

I agree with David and Kisak in that this sword with inscription seems to be 19th century refabrication of what may have been a trade blade. The bulb like pommel is unusual, the ferrules seem to correspond to late 18th to earlier 19th century forms (I've been under the impression these were usually wire wrapped with turks heads).I cant tell what the grip's composition is.

The inscription seems copied from extant known early examples, and looks added later, very artistic

Is this supposed to be an executioners sword? I cant see the blade tip.

celtan · 7th December 2008, 11:29 PM

Hi Guys,

This is the most interesting part of sword-collecting, the sleuthing, the consults, the brain gears moving...

: )

Yep, it's has the characteristic executioners/judge/sword-of-state's square tip.

So, Jim. You don't think the blade is legit?

Merry XMas!

Manolo

celtan · 19th December 2008, 06:05 PM

OTOS: JOHAN KNEGT

7th December 2008, 01:45 AM	#1
celtan Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: PR, USA Posts: 679	Real or copy? Judge / Rule Sword What do you think, real McCoy or victorian copy? Manuel Luis

7th December 2008, 06:01 PM	#3
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	Hi Manuel, kisek's idea of a rehilt may be right. The patination seems lacking near to the hilt ...perhaps cleaned (because of rust) whilst the blade was removed ??? Regards David Attached Images

7th December 2008, 02:02 PM	#2
kisak Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Stockholm Posts: 182	Odd looking pommel. Can't see anything I recognise as a "bad sign" with the blade, but then I have only seen a rare few executioner's swords (as I guess this is). Victorian rehilt perhaps?

7th December 2008, 06:51 PM	#4
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 9,770	I agree with David and Kisak in that this sword with inscription seems to be 19th century refabrication of what may have been a trade blade. The bulb like pommel is unusual, the ferrules seem to correspond to late 18th to earlier 19th century forms (I've been under the impression these were usually wire wrapped with turks heads).I cant tell what the grip's composition is. The inscription seems copied from extant known early examples, and looks added later, very artistic Is this supposed to be an executioners sword? I cant see the blade tip.

7th December 2008, 11:29 PM	#5
celtan Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: PR, USA Posts: 679	Hi Guys, This is the most interesting part of sword-collecting, the sleuthing, the consults, the brain gears moving... : ) Yep, it's has the characteristic executioners/judge/sword-of-state's square tip. So, Jim. You don't think the blade is legit? Merry XMas! Manolo

19th December 2008, 06:05 PM	#6
celtan Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: PR, USA Posts: 679	OTOS: JOHAN KNEGT