koummiya moroccan silver good

BerberDagger · 5th February 2007, 11:50 PM

What do you think abaut this koummiya???? for you what is this koummiya old?

thanks

Emanuel · 6th February 2007, 01:36 AM

Hi BerberDagger!

I imagine this would be supposed to be a high-end koummiya, what with the silver fittings...The question is whether it is silver or something else. There are some people on this forum with great knowledge about silverwork and they could probably tell whether this is high quality authentic work or tourist junk. To me, it looks like the "repousse" work is done by hand, somewhat crudely. Were the thing mass-produced, the mechanical stamp would have had smoother lines I think. The question is also how thick this silver is?
Lastly, what is the blade like? Again, if it is thick, it may be a legitimate weapon. If the blade is thin and bends or deforms easily I would leave it.
I do wonder what a true high-end silver-clad koummiya looks like...these weapons do deserve a comprehensive study I think...or I have to find the right book.

Those are my amateur observations though.
Emanuel

ward · 6th February 2007, 03:49 AM

typical modern souq work

CharlesS · 6th February 2007, 12:44 PM

Attractive, but not an old piece.

PBishop · 6th February 2007, 12:50 PM

I have no expertise in the quality or antiquity of edged weapons, but I have to say it is very pretty. It has some personality!

BerberDagger · 6th February 2007, 02:27 PM

hi , thank you very much

it is a hand made koummiya , silver is good arab silver not quality like english or european silver but it is silver!!!!

blade is military blade , tracknless is of 4,3 mm ....it is not deform easyly but very hard and quite sharp....

but is it much in good condition .... i dont understand if it is old or new!!!
for me is a 1950 item....but i dont known it...

please if you have any information post it...

thanks

spiral · 6th February 2007, 07:42 PM

I recognise the photos, even with the copyright photoshoped out, This knife is still listed for sale on Milke Longs website. Perhaps you shoud get him to mark it as sold?

http://www.michaeldlong.com/home.asp

As Item 104676, Moroccan all metal Jambiya dagger with sheath £85.00
Overall length 17 inches and with an 8.5 inch blade, the handle and sheath is formed from white metal and well engraved with floral designs.

So its probably not actualy silver.

Spiral

Ian · 6th February 2007, 10:04 PM

Spiral: Thanks for noting the pictures on Michael D. Long's site.

BerberDagger: You have a PM from me. Please respond.

Ian.

BerberDagger · 6th February 2007, 11:40 PM

hi
yes i have just buy it....

what is the problem? i have cancel mark for privacy....

David · 8th February 2007, 04:42 AM

Well, the first problem i see is that you are claiming this to be "good arab silver". As long as Michael D. Long has been in business i would image that he is very well capable of doing a simple silver test and knows the difference between real silver and generic white metal. My question is why would you claim so emphatically that this is real silver?

B.I · 8th February 2007, 09:11 AM

An interesting point should be made, although it has nothing to do with this dagger, its authenticity or materials used.
Michael Long was a very nice guy, and very knowledgable in certain fields. He was the one make decisions for Trident Arms and Micheal Long Ltd.
However, 'Michael Long ltd' is now a company that has continued trading after Michael sadly passed away, taking his knowledge and expertise with him.

Yannis · 8th February 2007, 01:15 PM

As a client of this company I have to say here that among lot of items I bought twice I found wrong description. Once it was a nice pleasant surprise (and gain for me) and once it was totally unpleasant and I send it back.

5th February 2007, 11:50 PM	#1
BerberDagger Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 247	koummiya moroccan silver good What do you think abaut this koummiya???? for you what is this koummiya old? thanks Attached Images

6th February 2007, 03:49 AM	#3
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	typical modern souq work Last edited by ward; 6th February 2007 at 01:12 PM.

6th February 2007, 02:27 PM	#6
BerberDagger Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 247	hello hi , thank you very much it is a hand made koummiya , silver is good arab silver not quality like english or european silver but it is silver!!!! blade is military blade , tracknless is of 4,3 mm ....it is not deform easyly but very hard and quite sharp.... but is it much in good condition .... i dont understand if it is old or new!!! for me is a 1950 item....but i dont known it... please if you have any information post it... thanks

6th February 2007, 10:04 PM	#8
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,034	Confusing ... Spiral: Thanks for noting the pictures on Michael D. Long's site. BerberDagger: You have a PM from me. Please respond. Ian.

6th February 2007, 01:36 AM	#2
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	Hi BerberDagger! I imagine this would be supposed to be a high-end koummiya, what with the silver fittings...The question is whether it is silver or something else. There are some people on this forum with great knowledge about silverwork and they could probably tell whether this is high quality authentic work or tourist junk. To me, it looks like the "repousse" work is done by hand, somewhat crudely. Were the thing mass-produced, the mechanical stamp would have had smoother lines I think. The question is also how thick this silver is? Lastly, what is the blade like? Again, if it is thick, it may be a legitimate weapon. If the blade is thin and bends or deforms easily I would leave it. I do wonder what a true high-end silver-clad koummiya looks like...these weapons do deserve a comprehensive study I think...or I have to find the right book. Those are my amateur observations though. Emanuel

6th February 2007, 12:44 PM	#4
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,855	Attractive, but not an old piece.

6th February 2007, 12:50 PM	#5
PBishop Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 11	I have no expertise in the quality or antiquity of edged weapons, but I have to say it is very pretty. It has some personality!

6th February 2007, 07:42 PM	#7
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	I recognise the photos, even with the copyright photoshoped out, This knife is still listed for sale on Milke Longs website. Perhaps you shoud get him to mark it as sold? http://www.michaeldlong.com/home.asp As Item 104676, Moroccan all metal Jambiya dagger with sheath £85.00 Overall length 17 inches and with an 8.5 inch blade, the handle and sheath is formed from white metal and well engraved with floral designs. So its probably not actualy silver. Spiral

6th February 2007, 11:40 PM	#9
BerberDagger Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 247	hi yes i have just buy it.... what is the problem? i have cancel mark for privacy....

8th February 2007, 04:42 AM	#10
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,030	Well, the first problem i see is that you are claiming this to be "good arab silver". As long as Michael D. Long has been in business i would image that he is very well capable of doing a simple silver test and knows the difference between real silver and generic white metal. My question is why would you claim so emphatically that this is real silver?

8th February 2007, 09:11 AM	#11
B.I Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 485	An interesting point should be made, although it has nothing to do with this dagger, its authenticity or materials used. Michael Long was a very nice guy, and very knowledgable in certain fields. He was the one make decisions for Trident Arms and Micheal Long Ltd. However, 'Michael Long ltd' is now a company that has continued trading after Michael sadly passed away, taking his knowledge and expertise with him.

8th February 2007, 01:15 PM	#12
Yannis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Athens Greece Posts: 479	As a client of this company I have to say here that among lot of items I bought twice I found wrong description. Once it was a nice pleasant surprise (and gain for me) and once it was totally unpleasant and I send it back.