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Old 11th April 2018, 10:53 AM   #1
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Lightbulb Russian Navy officer sword with the Order of St. Ann

Hello, I have Russian sword for navy officers with a miniature of the Order of St. Ann of the 4th class. Russia, model 1914. With a scabbard.

Basic technical data:
Overall length with the scabbard.........................413 mm
Overall length without the scabbard....................390 mm
Length of the blade. ...........................................287 mm
Width of the blade............................................. ...17 mm
Span of the guard (cross bar).................................77 mm
Length of the scabbard.........................................3 05 mm
Please can You help me determine the historical value. Thank You!
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Old 12th April 2018, 12:46 PM   #2
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Dear lastwar IP, unfortunately, this subject does not represent historical value. It's a fake copy.
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Old 12th April 2018, 01:52 PM   #3
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Welcome to the forum, lastwarIP.

Let's just call it a copy or a replica, Alex. Fake would be a strong word in this case; certainly was not made to pretend to be genuine, to deceive possible buyers.
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Old 12th April 2018, 02:15 PM   #4
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I agree with you Fernando, this dirk is just a copy.
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Old 12th April 2018, 07:06 PM   #5
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Hi friends! Please let me know , why You think that it is only replica? Thank You
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Old 13th April 2018, 03:11 AM   #6
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Well, whether it is a copy, a replica or a fake, it is still “not genuine”.
The distinction lies in the intent of the seller, and we have no way of guessing it.
So, just not to be rude, we may limit ourselves to the mildest possible term.

“Copy” does the job well, IMHO.
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Old 13th April 2018, 11:31 AM   #7
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ariel
... Well, whether it is a copy, a replica or a fake, it is still “not genuine”...The distinction lies in the intent of the seller, and we have no way of guessing it.

Neither such context was expressed, so we do well in dropping it .

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Originally Posted by ariel
... So, just not to be rude, we may limit ourselves to the mildest possible term...

That was the idea
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Old 17th April 2018, 07:05 PM   #8
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Hello, friends! Here are photos and video of the sword in disassembled condition for more detailed study and the expert's opinion from expert of historical weapons - the head of the historical branch of the East Bohemian Pardubice Museum - pan Mgr. Jan Tetřev
The registration of an expert in the Ministry of Justice of the Czech Republic
here is the link http://datalot.justice.cz/justice/rep...
Here is the link for download Experts opinion https://cloud.mail.ru/public/9Ank/ezS...
Here is the link for download fotos of the sword
https://photos.app.goo.gl/SD9Bs65P2HX...
here is the link for video of the sword
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RfSyZFNhSw&t=47s
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Old 17th April 2018, 08:50 PM   #9
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Dear lastwarIP, it is excelent for you that your dirk is genuine.
Perhaps this is time to remind you that, despite the scope of this European forum is to contemplate the discussion and study of antique weapons from ancient times to the end of the 19th. century, we welcomed the posting of your 1914 example to eventually help with some basic notes.
However as you now put it, you are well documented in this item and even have an expert's full report on it.
One would therefore be perplex with your posting it here to inquire about its historical value, when you already knew it.
All the best.
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Old 18th April 2018, 06:19 PM   #10
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Well, regardless of the piece of paper, to my eyes the etch looks to be lower quality than other similar types of work I have seen on Russian award weapons, in person and in photographs, in the past.

Previous comments did not go into detail. It is interesting to watch the video, more evidence for evaluation.

The people who gave their opinion here may indeed stand by their opinions, despite the opinion of someone who may be an authority on the matter.
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Old 25th April 2018, 10:03 AM   #11
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I agree with you, everyone has the right to express their opinion.
Maybe etching was done to order elsewhere, but I'm not an expert.
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